The Five Solas

[kyredneck]

Which one, James or Paul, teach a works based justification?

Paul included works with justification:
13 ...the doers of the law shall be justified... Ro 2

James included works with justification:
24 ...by works a man is justified.... Ja 2

It's you 'faith alone' people who have added to the gospel that have excluded works from our justification.

 

[kyredneck]

our faith alone (alone meaning "without works"

So you agree with 'easy believism'?

19 Thou believest that God is one; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder. Ja 2

 

[Yeshua1]

Paul included works with justification:
13 ...the doers of the law shall be justified... Ro 2

James included works with justification:
24 ...by works a man is justified.... Ja 2

It's you 'faith alone' people who have added to the gospel that have excluded works from our justification.

Paul stated by the works of the Law NONE shall be justified!

 

[Yeshua1]

So you agree with 'easy believism'?

19 Thou believest that God is one; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder. Ja 2

No, we believe that Jesus paid it all, salvation was completed and finished for us upon that Cross!

 

[kyredneck]

Paul stated by the works of the Law NONE shall be justified!

XIII iustificavit ... factores legis iustificabuntur Rom ... II

XX ... per opera legis non justificabitur omnis caro ejus Ro ... III

'Senex dictus, quod Paulus ad se et dicit Scriptura contradicit?

 

[kyredneck]

No, we believe that Jesus paid it all, salvation was completed and finished for us upon that Cross!

Sounds right. Could you possibly articulate it through scripture?

 

[Yeshua1]

Sounds right. could you possibly articulate it through scripture?

We now know that none shall be justified before God by keeping the law, but by trusting in and relying upon the finished work of Jesus Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

XIII iustificavit ... factores legis iustificabuntur Rom ... II

XX ... per opera legis non justificabitur omnis caro ejus Ro ... III

'Senex dictus, quod Paulus ad se et dicit Scriptura contradicit?

Catholic?

 

[atpollard]

WHOA! Impressive! You can C & P Latin!

Quaeritur: Quid est differentia justificetur et salvetur

(You would have done well to translate the Latin and keep your bad fruit to yourself as I am finished suffering you.)

XIII iustificavit ... factores legis iustificabuntur Rom ... II

XX ... per opera legis non justificabitur omnis caro ejus Ro ... III

'Senex dictus, quod Paulus ad se et dicit Scriptura contradicit?

Paul included works with justification:
13 ...the doers of the law shall be justified... Ro 2

James included works with justification:
24 ...by works a man is justified.... Ja 2

It's you 'faith alone' people who have added to the gospel that have excluded works from our justification.

So you agree with 'easy believism'?

19 Thou believest that God is one; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder. Ja 2

I hope that was a clear enough communication that I have had enough of your contra-edifying nonsense.
Galatians 5:12

 

[kyredneck]

We now know that none shall be justified before God by keeping the law, but by trusting in and relying upon the finished work of Jesus Christ!

If this is scripture (I'm very very proud of you Yesh if it is), which translation/version is it?

 

[kyredneck]

I hope that was a clear enough communication that I have had enough of your contra-edifying nonsense.

Lol, stay in your box, ...and all I was trying to do was to save you from becoming another mindless Reformed Robot. They're a dime a dozen, you know.

 

[kyredneck]

Catholic?

Lol, ask @atpollard, he's the one that started throwing Latin around.

 

[AustinC]

Lol, stay in your box, ...and all I was trying to do was to save you from becoming another mindless Reformed Robot. They're a dime a dozen, you know.

Lutheran, Zwinglian, Calvinist, Mennonite, etc, which Reformed do you consider mindless?

 

[AustinC]

Sounds right. Could you possibly articulate it through scripture?

1 Corinthians 15:1-8

Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.

 

[utilyan]

I really believe that we are justified apart from any good works that we do, so that our justification is not based on our faith and good works, but on our faith alone (alone meaning "without works"). God most certainly did not save me because of the good that I had done; rather, God saved me in spite of the good that I had not done.

You choose to strain at semantic gnats, which is your right, but I cannot ignore the empirical camels of my personal salvation.

Changing the subject from our priority to God's motivation.

If we look at God's motivation the REASON and Motive have nothing to do with your FAITH or WORKs.

The MOTIVATION is MERCY Even Paul will tell you "WHY" he was saved.

1 Timothy 1

13even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;

The guy who claims all you need to do is BE IGNORANT has a BETTER CASE than the guy who claims FAITH ALONE.


"God saved me in spite of the good that I had not done."

Sorry this statement is unacceptable for Calvinism. God does not care about you UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION.

IN CALVINISM God's Glory is more important you are merely worthless expendable decoration, He could have picked anyone else, there was no condition whatsoever, Your sinning or not is just another pointless variable like skin color or eye color.



When someone says FAITH WITHOUT GOOD WORKS they need to understand that means FAITH WITHOUT LOVE OF GOD. If GOOD WORKS does not equate with LOVING GOD then one is clueless as to the meaning of GOOD WORKS.

MORE IMPORTANTLY without LOVE = Without GOD. God is Love. 1 John 4

 

[Yeshua1]

Lol, stay in your box, ...and all I was trying to do was to save you from becoming another mindless Reformed Robot. They're a dime a dozen, you know.

well, least we hold to the Bible, and not Catholic theology regarding salvation!

 

[Yeshua1]

Lutheran, Zwinglian, Calvinist, Mennonite, etc, which Reformed do you consider mindless?

Guess reformed Baptists most of all!

 

[Yeshua1]

Changing the subject from our priority to God's motivation.

If we look at God's motivation the REASON and Motive have nothing to do with your FAITH or WORKs.

The MOTIVATION is MERCY Even Paul will tell you "WHY" he was saved.

1 Timothy 1

13even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;

The guy who claims all you need to do is BE IGNORANT has a BETTER CASE than the guy who claims FAITH ALONE.


"God saved me in spite of the good that I had not done."

Sorry this statement is unacceptable for Calvinism. God does not care about you UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION.

IN CALVINISM God's Glory is more important you are merely worthless expendable decoration, He could have picked anyone else, there was no condition whatsoever, Your sinning or not is just another pointless variable like skin color or eye color.



When someone says FAITH WITHOUT GOOD WORKS they need to understand that means FAITH WITHOUT LOVE OF GOD. If GOOD WORKS does not equate with LOVING GOD then one is clueless as to the meaning of GOOD WORKS.

MORE IMPORTANTLY without LOVE = Without GOD. God is Love. 1 John 4

Does not state by Love we are saved, but grace!

 

[atpollard]

Sorry this statement is unacceptable for Calvinism. God does not care about you UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION.

IN CALVINISM God's Glory is more important you are merely worthless expendable decoration, He could have picked anyone else, there was no condition whatsoever, Your sinning or not is just another pointless variable like skin color or eye color.

Thank you for yet another Anti-Calvinist correcting Calvinists about what we REALLY believe and why we are wrong, all while completely misunderstanding the Doctrines of Grace that we believe. I have no idea what we would do without your clear definition of well refuted strawman beliefs to define our Theology for us.

Heck, Calvinists might even be forced to state what we believe for ourselves ... and we certainly can’t have that.

 

[Dave G]

Changing the subject from our priority to God's motivation.

If we look at God's motivation the REASON and Motive have nothing to do with your FAITH or WORKs.

The MOTIVATION is MERCY Even Paul will tell you "WHY" he was saved.

1 Timothy 1

13even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief;

That part was well said, sir.