The Flag

[Revmitchell]

The question was about the flag. Not sure what all this history has to do with how a large segment of our society views the Rebel flag and the negative emotions it brings.

Maybe you want to rethink this statement.

 

[Hope]

It won't stop there!

They take the flag today and the battlefields will be shut down and not federally funded tomorrow.

 

[robustheologian]

If I were in SC I would want it taken down. I have changed on this after realizing the offensive nature of the flag to our black brothers and sisters.

Go back and watch old civil rights marches and watch how black Americans were treated by the white onlookers. Racial slurs, spitting on them, physical abuse and seemingly always that flag waved in their face. That generation equated that flag with those actions, and rightly so.

So for many if not most whites it's a symbol of southern heritage and culture, but i would think to most blacks (especially older) it is a symbol of incredible pain and suffering and hate. So for the sake of my fellow black Americans I would retire it to the museums.

:applause: Matt. 5:29-30

 

[Revmitchell]

 

[Bro. James]

That is a remarkably viral picture. Is it possible that both sides were/are still wrong? We had troops segregated by skin color through WWII.

It is long past time to do the right thing.

Jesus will probably have to settle this one too. Are we ready?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Grasshopper]

Maybe you want to rethink this statement.

No, not sure what the different theories on the death of Lincoln has to do with how a black American might view the flag.

 

[salzer mtn]

So for many if not most whites it's a symbol of southern heritage and culture, but i would think to most blacks (especially older) it is a symbol of incredible pain and suffering and hate. So for the sake of my fellow black Americans I would retire it to the museums.

I worked in the department of correction for thirty two years. In those years I had black people for supervisors and I guarded black as well as white inmates. I also as a kid lived in Detroit in a neighborhood that had black people. I can tell you this, black people that are not Christians have a hatred for white people. I was constantly baited by black inmates to fall into their trap. Once I was ask by a black inmate, "would you let your daughter marry a black man" ? I replied, I don't have a daughter. They don't have to look at a flag as a symbol of pain and suffering, all they have to do is look at a white person and it takes them beyond pain and suffering to hate. Black people can wear t-shirts that display black power, Malcom X pictures and nothing is said.

 

[Grasshopper]

I can tell you this, black people that are not Christians have a hatred for white people.*

Wow!

They don't have to look at a flag as a symbol of pain and suffering, all they have to do is look at a white person and it takes them beyond pain and suffering to hate.

This is unbelievable. Black criminals attitude represent all blacks.

Black people can wear t-shirts that display black power, Malcom X pictures and nothing is said.

I don't see them being flown on flag poles on public property, but I do agree that Malcom X shirts are the equivalent of the Confederate flag. Thanks for making my point.

Perhaps we should all ask what's best for the Kingdom and not our own interests.

http://americanvision.org/12130/the...ocrisy-of-flying-the-confederate-battle-flag/

 

[salzer mtn]

Wow!



This is unbelievable. Black criminals attitude represent all blacks.



I don't see them being flown on flag poles on public property, but I do agree that Malcom X shirts are the equivalent of the Confederate flag. Thanks for making my point.

Perhaps we should all ask what's best for the Kingdom and not our own interests.

http://americanvision.org/12130/the...ocrisy-of-flying-the-confederate-battle-flag/

I do not base all my opinion on convicts. When we lived in Detroit Mich. a few years we had a plum tree in the back yard. Mother was waiting on the plums to get ripe to pick them. One morning when we awakened from sleep the tree was full of black kids picking the plums. My uncle lived across the street and had planted a garden. The black teenagers slipped across the fence and destroyed the garden. I could go on and on.

 

[Use of Time]

That is a pretty myopic world view.

 

[Revmitchell]

That is a pretty myopic world view.

Why is it when it is a white man's experience it is myopic but if it is a black man it is well deserved?

 

[Use of Time]

Why is it when it is a white man's experience it is myopic but if it is a black man it is well deserved?

Are we basing this conversation on one black mans anecdotal stories now or a collective opinion? They aren't the same Rev.

 

[carpro]

My opinion only. It is solely the business of the residents of those States which display it. All others should butt out.

Agreed.

However, Giving in to PC terrorists only makes them thirst for more.

 

[carpro]

Salty the Op ask for a opinion, I gave mine. The powers in SC have already gave in to the minority so it will be taken down.

It has to go to the legislature for final resolution.

 

[Revmitchell]

Are we basing this conversation on one black mans anecdotal stories now or a collective opinion? They aren't the same Rev.

Take your pic either way it is the same.

 

[AntennaFarmer]

The Confederate flag in question is a memorial to American soldiers who defended their country. It should remain in place.

It is completely unreasonable to blame a symbol loved by many for the misuse of that symbol by a murderer. There are always people who will misuse any symbol. You have to consider the intent of those who display it. Evil men have also displayed the cross of Christ. Is it therefore proper to banish the cross? No! Likewise, the Confederate Battle Flag is displayed in South Carolina by the descendants to honor their soldiers who died in that war. It should not be removed.

To deny the right of any people to commemorate their dead is a crime in itself. In the years after the war the soldiers and people on both sides agreed to put animosity aside. After that time the soldiers of both sides were given equal honor. There are Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington Cemetery. If you dishonor the Confederates you also dishonor the Union soldiers.

I too mourn those who died in the Church at Charleston. I would it were not so. Instead of destroying (in anger) a memorial to others we should erect a memorial to those who died that day. Build a memorial to those Christian brothers and sisters to let the world know that we loved them. Build it high!

A.F.

 

[Zaac]

Leave It Up. This is Southern history.

Just dumb.

This is a symbol of freedom of speech.

It's a symbol of enslavement and white supremacy.

If it is taken down where will it all end. Next will be the statues of the Officer's of the Civil war. Next history will be re-wrote not even mentioning the Civil war. I talked to a man a few day's ago that sold the Confederate flags at a flea market and he told me people were buying them as fast as he could get another shipment in. Bama and his cronies have done more to create a division among races than any other president.

Pure foolishness. You sound like those folks from the 60s and "If we give them N*****s the right to vote, then they're gonna want to go to our schools and marry our sons and daughters. Where will it end?"

 

[Zaac]

OK, so we cave to the TRUE racists and remove the flag!

Think that will be the end of it; and how long before a Jackson/Sharpton/ type decides that there is some other symbol they can "condemn" as "racists" and start a new drive to eliminate.

If anything, the response in Charleston should show that the Stars & Bars is nowhere racial, as that symbol is all over that area, but there has been no hesitation for the "redneck, flag waving, guns & bible thumper crowd" to reach out to the victims of the madman.

Yield on this point and there will be another before long, and then another, and then ----!

The liberals are determined to eliminate any and all history (except the "PC" version) of the south, to hide the Feds aggression in invading the south. (JMHO of course)

Oh, and as a side note, as noted already, the slaves were NOT captured under this flag, NOR transported under this flag, so why does the resentment wait until another flag that had nothing to do with slavery get to be the "bad guy"?? I have one theory -- it's because of herd mentality, nothing more nothing less. That is why removal will solve no problem, and just lead to another "flag" fiasco of some type.

Much, much foolishness being spewed by you as usual. American History has been whitewashed the last 150+ years. Now you talk about eliminating any and all history, then talk about how the white rioters burned down the Black WallStreet because they were jealous and wanted to make sure there was no history of the place left to be told.

 

[salzer mtn]

Just dumb.



It's a symbol of enslavement and white supremacy.



Pure foolishness. You sound like those folks from the 60s and "If we give them N*****s the right to vote, then they're gonna want to go to our schools and marry our sons and daughters. Where will it end?"

Wal Mart and Amazon and Target and other have decided to not sell the Confederate flag anymore. Amazon said their sales of the Confederate flag went up over 2000% per cent in the last few days. This is what the silent majority is saying. Zaac, I know you are a black person, your speech is a dead give a way but white people have rights too.

 

[Use of Time]

Take your pic either way it is the same.

What? He said that all black people that aren't Christians hate white people. Apparently his experience as a corrections officer qualifies him to make this ridiculous statement. That is a myopic world view. Full stop.

Why are you trying to deflect instead of responding to his statement and my proper use of the word myopic? I think even you would have to agree that it was an offensive statement.