The Foreknowledge of God Put in Biblical Context

[Barry Johnson]

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“God had a personal relationship with us:”

subject = God
verb = had
object = a personal relationship

“I” am not the subject of the sentence.

I thought it was unconditional election ?

 

[Barry Johnson]

However Barry, one of the many works of the Holy Spirit was His ministry of separation. The Holy Spirit hovered over the life of him who accepted Jesus throughout his life thereby guaranteeing that such individuals would have the opportunity to respond to the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Which is why the doctrine of God’s election of him who is saved can explain how the naked native who did not hear and was not able to reject the gospel, died without God.

Again this is philosophy, which is all Cavinisim is essentially , a clever philosophical system . its built on syllogism after syllogism starting with Augustines T at the top . You have to take note when Christians are trying to tell you ALL of it is false . That should alarm you . Its not just another view of the bible , its completely false . Do a word study on election , choose , chosen and notice every time its connected to doing something, to serve , servant, calling ect . Never about sinners to be saved because of a secret arbitrary 'election ' for no reason given. It sounds great coming from intelligent theologians , quoting other dead theologians from the past . And in light of other alternatives like Arminism or benny hinn I can see why folks opt for it . Just as I did for a season .

 

[Sai]

Again this is philosophy, which is all Cavinisim is essentially , a clever philosophical system . its built on syllogism after syllogism starting with Augustines T at the top . You have to take note when Christians are trying to tell you ALL of it is false . That should alarm you . Its not just another view of the bible , its completely false . Do a word study on election , choose , chosen and notice every time its connected to doing something, to serve , servant, calling ect . Never about sinners to be saved because of a secret arbitrary 'election ' for no reason given. It sounds great coming from intelligent theologians , quoting other dead theologians from the past . And in light of other alternatives like Arminism or benny hinn I can see why folks opt for it . Just as I did for a season .

Well perhaps. But Augustine had nothing to do with the natives I mentioned. How do you explain them?

 

[Barry Johnson]

Well perhaps. But Augustine had nothing to do with the natives I mentioned. How do you explain them?

Are you asking the ' what about those who have never heard the Gospel ' ? The bible says in Romans 1 we are all without excuse . The bible says the Holy Spirit
John 16
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
The Gospel has gone out in to all the world . Jesus is the light of the world That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world . John 1 . 19
And on and on . This is how I would answer using the bible. Calvinism thinks its answered this with ' election ' . But the bible nowhere supports this concept .

 

[Sai]

Are you asking the ' what about those who have never heard the Gospel ' ? The bible says in Romans 1 we are all without excuse . The bible says the Holy Spirit
John 16
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
The Gospel has gone out in to all the world . Jesus is the light of the world That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world . John 1 . 19
And on and on . This is how I would answer using the bible. Calvinism thinks its answered this with ' election ' . But the bible nowhere supports this concept .

We agree then that many tribes of peoples never were exposed to the Bible and it’s teachings. Thus they died unsaved.

 

[Barry Johnson]

We agree then that many tribes of peoples never were exposed to the Bible and it’s teachings. Thus they died unsaved.

with all the scriptures I stated previously and there are many more which make it clear that everyone who can understand the law is left without excuse .This doesn't mean that the only way a person is saved is by a calvinistic election . Which is Augistines Philosophy starting with Total 'inability ' ,then everything else cascades from there . Thats why in discussion with a Calvinist they will keep coming back to their pet proof texts . John 6 , Romans 9 , Ephesians 1 ect .

 

[Sai]

with all the scriptures I stated previously and there are many more which make it clear that everyone who can understand the law is left without excuse .This doesn't mean that the only way a person is saved is by a calvinistic election . Which is Augistines Philosophy starting with Total 'inability ' ,then everything else cascades from there . Thats why in discussion with a Calvinist they will keep coming back to their pet proof texts . John 6 , Romans 9 , Ephesians 1 ect .

No one can be saved post cross without accepting Jesus as their savior. This includes natives who did not respond to the revelation of God in creation and died as idolators without hearing the gospel.

 

[Barry Johnson]

No one can be saved post cross without accepting Jesus as their savior. This includes natives who did not respond to the revelation of God in creation and died as idolators without hearing the gospel.

Thats why missionaries go preach . Imagine if Paul had not preach the Good news.

 

[Sai]

Thats why missionaries go preach . Imagine if Paul had not preach the Good news.

Here’s what I have learned. There is enough revelation in the created things about God to condemn but not enough to save. If a naked native sees his surroundings, understands there must have been a Creator, rejects the village idols, God will choose some random white dude who all of the sudden feels a burden to go to the part of the world where this savage is, learns the language, shows up at his hut, and delivers the gospel to him and because this man was elect, he accepts the good news and becomes saved.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Here’s what I have learned. There is enough revelation in the created things about God to condemn but not enough to save. If a naked native sees his surroundings, understands there must have been a Creator, rejects the village idols, God will choose some random white dude who all of the sudden feels a burden to go to the part of the world where this savage is, learns the language, shows up at his hut, and delivers the gospel to him and because this man was elect, he accepts the good news and becomes saved.

Well Calvinism would disagree ..You will always choose the idol according to the system. Your 'wanter ' is broken ,so you will always want the idol . You will always want to suppress the truth. So it would be that the believer gets the 'call 'to go to the native ,not because of any response within the native ( after all how can a dead corpse respond to any stimulus? ) . Your view however is closer to what I believe..like cornelius .But not according to ' election ' ( The reformed idea ) but because the native himself responds like the prodigal Son realising he's in the pig muck .

 

[Brightfame52]

VI.— When foreknowledge is ascribed to God, the word imports (1) that general prescience whereby He knew from all eternity both what He Himself would do, and what His creatures, in consequence of His efficacious and permissive decree, should do likewise. The Divine foreknowledge, considered in this view, is absolutely universal; it extends to all beings that did, do or ever shall exist, and to all actions that ever have been, that are or shall be done, whether good or evil, natural, civil or moral. (2) The word often denotes that special prescience which has for its objects His own elect, and them alone, whom He is in a peculiar sense said to know and foreknow (Psalm 1.6; John 10.27; 2 Tim. 2.19; Rom. 8.29; 1 Peter 1.2), and this knowledge is connected with, or rather the same with love, favour and approbation.


Absolute Predestination. — Reformed Presbyterian Church (Covenanted) - "Steelite" Covenanters