The Freewillers Shell Game part 1.

Not talking about being "appointed" individual but that "salvation" had come to the Gentile Nation.

46: Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47: For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48: And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

May of not been mentioned but that is what He "foreknew".

No one was ever saved without faith, ever!

 

Is this a calvinist or arminian thought?

We have free will in the sense that we freely will whatever we have the desire and ability to do. God influences us by circumstances,thoughts, and power so we become voluntarily willing to fulfil His will. Perhaps voluntary will is a better way to put it.

I can agree with the statement above.:godisgood:

 

Volition and Will are the same words. I use freedom of man to willfully decide to trust in the truth. Man is created in the image of God. This image of God is the part of man that never dies. So it is not dead for if it were the body would drop limp and decay. The image of God is separated form God, not dead as in rendered lifeless. Dead means separation not inability to recognize the truth when God tell us (the Gospel). The Gospel is the light of the world and wherever it shines on man who is dead (separated from God) in his sins and trespasses sees his condition and can trust in the truth (object of salvation Jesus) about himself and God. This is the freedom. If man is not free to do this we are all wasting our time warring about our soul and the souls of anyone for that matter. Philosophical Calvinism is a self consumed arrogant departure form common sense and Biblical truth. To believe this non-sense would mean all churches would die for real. The Church has far less to fear form secular theories than from this deadly illness of Tulipitis.




The following medicine will effectively root out and heal one from Tulipitis.

C- Conditional salvation
U- Unlimited Atonement
R- Resistible Grace
E - Eternal Security
D- Delivered from being Dead in Trespasses and sin

 

Please explain conditional salvation.

 

God dies for man = Grace
Man is told he is a sinner and told the Gospel = He agrees with God, Repents, and trust in what God says.

Salvation for man is on the condition of God's message to us and our choice to accept it. Man must believe in Jesus (condition)

Gordon

 

I agree with all you said in the CURE if I understand it all Gordon.
1. I believe a man must believe and repent to be saved.
2. I believe "whosoever believeth and repent shall be saved.
3.I believe a man can resist the Spirit of God which strives with all men and go to hell.
4. I believe a man that is saved is kept by the power of God.
5. I believe whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ and repents shall be delivered from a dead state of sin unto a lively hope in Christ.

Amen,

 

Amen! Good teaching. Now I'm not considered a Calvinist by anybody on this board that I know of.

 

Amen to that Bro.

 

To me TULIP Philosophy is false Doctrine from Hell. That is how strong I feel about it.

But I can step back and laugh to. As serious as I hate Calvinism I still love those who are miss guided by its poison.

Calvinism are allowed a free ride on forums. They have to be confronted. They don't like it and they can get rather UPSET.

If they get in control as moderators you will get the boot. They can't stand any strong opposition.

They try to make everyone thing they have the high rood on God's grace. The game is to scare others form defending God's grace by using this approach to lord it over others.

In fact their position is anti God's sovereign Grace. The Calvinist philosophy is anti sovereign Grace and puts God in a box, and shells Him into their image of pride. The end results is Tulipitis a sin sick miss guided debilitating ailment.

But we have to love them and perhaps some will be converted to real Christianity and Biblical Truth. Only God can judge their should concerning salvation.

How sad it is to see them come to the end of their life and find out they are not elected and bust Hell wide open.

Gordon

 

In other words, to break that down. All the above = synergism.

 

Mark: 16

"15": And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

"16": He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

Where do you think you have the authority to tell a believer in the blood of Christ that he is going to bust hell wide open. Why if you followed your notions of fair & unfair to their root, you would be like Bob Ryan & not even believe in hell. I don't believe you will get a pat on the back from anyone on this thread I have talked to. All the freewillers I know have enough since to know that we are not going to heaven because we are right on everything, but because of Christ's finished work on the cross alone!

 

There is a greek word for this..."hogwash"
Totally worthy of re-post!