The Gaza Strip: Largest Prison in the World

[asterisktom]

And many Christians are quite OK with that.

Our cowardly congress as well as many politically clueless Christians continues to fuel this horrible ordeal that Gazan civilians have to endure. Neo-con ideology and misguided eschatology have beaten plowshares into weapons of indiscriminate destruction.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/25/us-complicity-in-israels-crimes/

 

[Revmitchell]

Gaza is what it is because Israel needs to protect itself. When the arabs in Gaza decide to stop trying to run the jews into the sea it will change. Ignoring the agenda and attacks on Israel is not "OK".

 

[asterisktom]

Gaza is what it is because Israel needs to protect itself. When the arabs in Gaza decide to stop trying to run the jews into the sea it will change. Ignoring the agenda and attacks on Israel is not "OK".

Are you really serious? Who is trying to run whom in the sea?

Is it possible - just possible - that not all arabs are these cartoon characters that you imagine? That many of them are ordinary people who just want to live and let live? They are not all Hamas, you know.

Many Christians today need to seriously heed their Lord's admonition when the Sons of Thunder wanted to call down fire (and maybe missiles if they had them) on the villages of the enemy. Christ said that they did not what spirit they were of.

This turning a blind eye, or actually approving as a matter of expedience the slaughter of innocent civilians, is not the Spirit of Christ. It is a different spirit altogether.

That good man Abner, though he was an adversary to King David, said "Shall the sword devour forever?" If we cannot have any Davids in Israel (Netanyahu certainly isn't one) maybe we can at least have some Abners, sensible men on both sides who will not let their humanity - not to mention Christianity! - be swallowed up by politics.

 

[righteousdude2]

Are you a native of ....

Are you really serious? Who is trying to run whom in the sea?

Is it possible - just possible - that not all arabs are these cartoon characters that you imagine? That many of them are ordinary people who just want to live and let live? They are not all Hamas, you know.

Many Christians today need to seriously heed their Lord's admonition when the Sons of Thunder wanted to call down fire (and maybe missiles if they had them) on the villages of the enemy. Christ said that they did not what spirit they were of.

This turning a blind eye, or actually approving as a matter of expedience the slaughter of innocent civilians, is not the Spirit of Christ. It is a different spirit altogether.

The mid-west, or a transplant. I have not met many liberals in this part of the country....

 

[righteousdude2]

According to ....

And many Christians are quite OK with that.

Our cowardly congress as well as many politically clueless Christians continues to fuel this horrible ordeal that Gazan civilians have to endure. Neo-con ideology and misguided eschatology have beaten plowshares into weapons of indiscriminate destruction.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/25/us-complicity-in-israels-crimes/

The central American's flooding our borders they live in a prison too?

 

[asterisktom]

The mid-west, or a transplant. I have not met many liberals in this part of the country....

My father is from Oklahoma. My mother is German. I have lived all over. Maybe that is what makes me seem liberal to you. I am actually libertarian. I would have voted for Ron Paul if the powers that be would have let him run. (But that is another thread).

I used to be very conservative BTW.

 

[asterisktom]

The central American's flooding our borders they live in a prison too?

How do those two even compare?

The Palestinians are cooped up in a narrow strip of land, always in danger of being trageted. Even their old occasional escape route into Egypt has been closed due to Israel's pressure on Egypt. Their houses are often ransacked and bulldozed. They are treated like second-class non-citizens in the fringes of the land where they used to live.

If I am a liberal for not believing the mantra "Israel is always right" then so be it.

 

[Revmitchell]

Are you really serious? Who is trying to run whom in the sea?

Let's take a look at the Hamas Charter:

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]

consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one

can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.'

(Article 11)



'Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the

Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem

wherever he may be.' (Article 13)

'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and

international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of

the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than

a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of

Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by

Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a

waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)

http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

 

[asterisktom]

Let's take a look at the Hamas Charter:[/unquote]

You are not paying attention. I am not exonerating Hamas. They obviously have wrong agendas.

The issue here is the Palestinians in general. The pople who live in the Gaza Strip. The ones who are dying in the hundreds.

"Hamas" does not equal "Palestinians" any more than, say, "Pro-Obama Democrats" (definitely a subset within the Democrat camp) equal "America".

 

[Revmitchell]

"Palestinians is a misnomer. There is no such thing as Palestinians.


Second, the arabs in Gaza elected Hamas. So yes they are one and the same. If Hamas would stop hiding maong civilians and shooting rockets at Israel they would not be dying.

 

[asterisktom]

"Palestinians is a misnomer. There is no such thing as Palestinians.

Oh please. I know. It is a misnomer. Lets be callous toward the deaths of innocent civilians because they happen to be mis-monickered.

Second, the arabs in Gaza elected Hamas.

Yes, and the Americans elected Obama. Your point?

So yes they are one and the same.

... to those who get their education from FOX News maybe.

If Hamas would stop hiding maong civilians and shooting rockets at Israel they would not be dying.

Evil acts - assuming this is even fact - do not justify even more evil acts of slaughter of civilians in the hundreds. Would you still hold this rationale if this all happened in America?

 

[Revmitchell]

Oh please. I know. It is a misnomer. Lets be callous toward the deaths of innocent civilians because they happen to be mis-monickered.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Yes, and the Americans elected Obama. Your point?

You cannot separate out the people of Gaza as if they are innocent in this manner when they elected Hamas knowing who they are and what they wanted. That means the people that voted for them want the same thing.

... to those who get their education from FOX News maybe.

Childish

Evil acts - assuming this is even fact - do not justify even more evil acts of slaughter of civilians in the hundreds. Would you still hold this rationale if this all happened in America?

Well you can ignore facts if you want but when someone bombs another then theose who are bombing need to be stopped. What Israel is doing is both moral and just.

 

[kyredneck]

"Palestinians is a misnomer. There is no such thing as Palestinians.

Wow, I mean, just wow.

So just who are these people that were forcibly expelled from 'Palestine' in the mid 20th century, and who share identical DNA with the Jews?

 

[asterisktom]

Wow, I mean, just wow.

So just who are these people that were forcibly expelled from 'Palestine' in the mid 20th century, and who share identical DNA with the Jews?

Kyredneck, those whom people are determined to hate they must first dehumanize. This is similar to that one Jewish politician (or prominent rabbi, I forget) who said that Palestinians are not even human.

 

[asterisktom]

You cannot separate out the people of Gaza as if they are innocent in this manner when they elected Hamas knowing who they are and what they wanted. That means the people that voted for them want the same thing.

By this logic everything that Obama is doing is OK with you because you "want the same thing". Since you "elected" Obama the same way they "elected" Hamas.

Childish

My wife agrees with you on that. She is usually a good judge. So, yes, you are right. i should leave FOX News out of this.

Well you can ignore facts if you want but when someone bombs another then theose who are bombing need to be stopped. What Israel is doing is both moral and just.

Now this is truly disturbing. Truly sad that a human being, let alone a child of God, should say this.

 

[Gina B]

In your considerations, have you wondered why the Gaza-Egyptian border is shut off? Why has it been Israel supplying food, medical care, jobs, that has set Gaza up with water filtration methods and the means to live healthy and happy? What has Gaza done with this, and with any of the millions upon millions of dollars supplied to them from various sources?
Who goes in and repairs their electric? How much do they PAY for electric and who supplies it?
They could be a beautiful, peaceful city by the sea with much profit. They choose - umm, what is the Hebrew word for violence?

 

[kyredneck]

Kyredneck, those whom people are determined to hate they must first dehumanize. This is similar to that one Jewish politician (or prominent rabbi, I forget) who said that Palestinians are not even human.

From the horse's mouth:

Israeli columnist: Media dehumanizes Palestinians

"Senior Haaretz writer Gideon Levy claims Israeli 'occupation' is 'tyranny' that won't last forever, says settlements are crimes, slams media for legitimizing attacks against Palestinians

....Levy slammed the Israeli media, saying that its slanted reportage attempts to legitimize crimes against the Palestinians. Levy accused the media of pushing the army to act against Palestinians; He said that the news outlets presented Operation Cast Lead as a war, even though there was barely any resistance on the Palestinian side; for every Israeli that died in the operation, he said, there were at least 100 Palestinians.

"The Israeli media is dehumanizing the Palestinians systematically year after year, decade after decade and that is, in my view, the best explanation to this unusual phenomena in which the Israelis... live so much in peace with themselves," he explained.

He went as far as saying that an Israeli "propaganda machine" undermines any anti-Israel opinion. The few groups that dare to take a stand against the occupation by holding rallies and refusing to serve in the army are delegitimized.

According to Levy, this phenomenon has lead to a situation in which "five million Israelis are deeply convinced today that they are right and seven billion people of the world are wrong"...."

 

[poncho]

My father is from Oklahoma. My mother is German. I have lived all over. Maybe that is what makes me seem liberal to you. I am actually libertarian. I would have voted for Ron Paul if the powers that be would have let him run. (But that is another thread).

I used to be very conservative BTW.

Oh boy, didn't you know libertarians are of the devil? They're even worse than liberals because they don't believe in wielding total control over everyone else's lives like the republicans and democrats.

In this day and age if you aren't an authoritarian of either stripe you're of the devil!

Word of advice from a long time BBer Tom, you need to learn to follow the mainstream consensus (worldly mindset) like almost everyone else here or you won't be allowed to join the ranks of Christ's commandos.

 

[kyredneck]

Oh boy, didn't you know libertarians are of the devil? They're even worse than liberals because they don't believe in wielding total control over everyone else's lives like the republicans and democrats.

In this day and age if you aren't an authoritarian of either stripe you're of the devil!.....

I couldn't care less what the ilk of Revmitchell or Carpro have to say in their hateful smears, their slanderous protests only indicates that I've 'hit a nerve' and reinforces me to keep going.

 

[poncho]

I couldn't care less what the ilk of Revmitchell or Carpro have to say in their hateful smears, their slanderous protests only indicates that I've 'hit a nerve' and reinforces me to keep going.

Better watch out or the mods will punish you for not being nice to the resident neocon hypocrites and name callers. Just sayin.