The genuine gospel is neither Arminian nor Calvinist

[Yeshua1]

To understand the gospel we must first understand from what Christ came to deliver us.

According to Matthew 1:21 Mary was to name her baby boy "Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

So clearly Jesus came to save us from our sins.

What does this mean?

We have two possible answers:

1. He came to teach us how to stop sinning so we could go to heaven
2. He came to deliver us from under the death penalty, the 2nd death, for transgressing the moral law.

I reject answer # 1 because this is legalistic. Therefore # 2 is the answer.

Christ came to save the human race from "the curse of the law".

Gal 4:4 "But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to Sonship"

Not ALL though were to bsaved, but only those whom the Father gave unto Jesus to be saved!

 

[TCassidy]

I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion at all....???

In reply to what you said: "The only sin that is unpardonable is the sin of unbelief and, just like faith is a willful submission to the truth as it is in Christ, unbelief is a willful rejection to the truth that is in Christ." Just stop rejecting. Just stop sinning. Viola!

My point is you didn't persist...you didn't fully and ultimately harden your heart.

The only reason I didn't persist was the efficacious grace of God.

How does one "speak against the Holy Spirit"?

By seeing Christ, while on this earth, perform a miracle and attributing the power to do so to Satan, just as the narrative I posted says.

 

[AndThisGospel]

Not ALL though were to saved, but only those whom the Father gave unto Jesus to be saved!

Titus 3:4 "But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared (i.e, about 2000 yrs ago) 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He (i.e., the Holy Spirit) poured out upon us richly in Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life."

Rom 5:18 "So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men."

 

[AndThisGospel]

The only reason I didn't persist was the efficacious grace of God.

Do you agree with the following?

"Irresistible grace (or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism, which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect) and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel..." [Wikipedia]

 

[AndThisGospel]

Titus 3:4 "But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared (i.e, about 2000 yrs ago) 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He (i.e., the Holy Spirit) poured out upon us richly in Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life."

Rom 5:18 "So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men."

"All men" have been saved by the doing and dying of Christ about 2000 years ago, but not all will yield to the Spirit of grace, not because they are predetermined to be lost, but because they persistently refused God's grace.

 

[Yeshua1]

In reply to what you said: "The only sin that is unpardonable is the sin of unbelief and, just like faith is a willful submission to the truth as it is in Christ, unbelief is a willful rejection to the truth that is in Christ." Just stop rejecting. Just stop sinning. Viola!

The only reason I didn't persist was the efficacious grace of God.

By seeing Christ, while on this earth, perform a miracle and attributing the power to do so to Satan, just as the narrative I posted says.

All of ourhearts are already harden , as we are all dead in our sin natures, and it takes God to wake of spiritual death to life in Christ.

And that act of te Pharisees was a specific sin of that time, as God was there an they basically called him Satan!

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you agree with the following?

"Irresistible grace (or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism, which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect) and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel..." [Wikipedia]

That is what the Bible teaches, so yes!

 

[Yeshua1]

"All men" have been saved by the doing and dying of Christ about 2000 years ago, but not all will yield to the Spirit of grace, not because they are predetermined to be lost, but because they persistently refused God's grace.

NO, its rather that whil te Death of Jesus sufficient to save all sinners, it was intended to be applied towards and save His elect...
Not saved bsed upon my will, but upon His will..

 

[AndThisGospel]

All of our hearts are already harden , as we are all dead in our sin natures, and it takes God to wake of spiritual death to life in Christ.

I disagree....To harden one's heart is to resist God's grace through His Spirit.

Let's look at Eph 2:2 "And you (i.e., before Christ) were (spiritually) dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest."

Before we believed our flesh (sin nature) dominated our minds, i.e., what the flesh desired the mind wanted too. They were in harmony. There's nothing here about our hearts (minds) being hardened.

 

[AndThisGospel]

That is what the Bible teaches, so yes!

No, absolutely not. The Bible doesn't teach this. Calvin? yes, but not the Bible....

God doesn't have favorites. After all, God is agape. Agape is a love that is not self-seeking. See 1 Cor 13:5 Agape loves all men, unconditionally. God has saved "all men" in His Son, but not all men will respond to His love and the gift of salvation.

 

[TCassidy]

Do you agree with the following?

"Irresistible grace (or efficacious grace) is a doctrine in Christian theology particularly associated with Calvinism, which teaches that the saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save (the elect) and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel..." [Wikipedia]

Efficacious grace is the teaching that the Grace of God will always accomplish that which God intends it to accomplish. (That's what "efficacious" means.)

Efficacious grace is John 10:29 in action.

 

[Yeshua1]

I disagree....To harden one's heart is to resist God's grace through His Spirit.

Let's look at Eph 2:2 "And you (i.e., before Christ) were (spiritually) dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest."

Before we believed our flesh (sin nature) dominated our minds, i.e., what the flesh desired the mind wanted too. They were in harmony. There's nothing here about our hearts (minds) being hardened.

All of us were effected and warpd by the Fall, so we were all aspects fallen and resisting God!

 

[Yeshua1]

No, absolutely not. The Bible doesn't teach this. Calvin? yes, but not the Bible....

God doesn't have favorites. After all, God is agape. Agape is a love that is not self-seeking. See 1 Cor 13:5 Agape loves all men, unconditionally. God has saved "all men" in His Son, but not all men will respond to His love and the gift of salvation.

So God di not favor Israel then?.
He chose the Jews to b his people, to have messih come thru them, and that was not a favorite of His?

 

[AndThisGospel]

He chose the Jews to be his people, to have messiah come thru them, and that was not a favorite of His?

How do you know that God was playing favorites? Perhaps no one else was receptive to His plans? Besides, Paul states that "God does not show favoritism." Rom 2:11

He chose Abraham and his descendants to usher in Christ, but the majority of the Jews rejected Him.

 

[AndThisGospel]

Efficacious grace is the teaching that the Grace of God will always accomplish that which God intends it to accomplish."

So God wills that some (the elect) will be saved, but He wills others to be damned?

That concept is hostile the gospel!

"God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us (believers) the word of reconciliation." 2 Cor 5:19

Compare "the world" with the following:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

 

[Yeshua1]

How do you know that God was playing favorites? Perhaps no one else was receptive to His plans? Besides, Paul states that "God does not show favoritism." Rom 2:11

He chose Abraham and his descendants to usher in Christ, but the majority of the Jews rejected Him.

God chose Israel from all other nations and established Covenant with them, so He did indeed"play favorites"

Same thing tha He did between Jacob and Esau....

 

[Yeshua1]

So God wills that some (the elect) will be saved, but He wills others to be damned?

That concept is hostile the gospel!

"God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us (believers) the word of reconciliation." 2 Cor 5:19

Compare "the world" with the following:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

Calvin held to that, but many calvinists do not, as I maintain tha His election and Predestination is towards His own elect, and He permits the rest to have thiwill get done and stay lost in sin!

 

[TCassidy]

He wills others to be damned?

So you don't think God is just to send sinners to hell? Do you believe you are more just than God?

That concept is hostile the gospel!

God's Justice is hostile to the Gospel?

Do you think God should just pardon everyone for sending Christ to the cross?

 

[AndThisGospel]

God chose Israel from all other nations and established Covenant with them, so He did indeed"play favorites".

Why? The other nations rejected Him.....Israel didn't, but time after time they turned to other gods. Every time they did they were either defeated and/or were made slaves. Then approximately 2000 years ago they, as a nation, rejected the Messiah. See Matthew 23:37-39 The Jewish nations is meaningless this side of the cross. Jews who wish eternal life must accept Christ as their righteousness.

As far as you placing the sin of favoritism at the Lord's feet here is what the Bible states:

Rom 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.

James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ‘Love your neighbour as yourself,’ you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as law-breakers.

Does God sin? No! It borders on blasphemy to accuse Him of sin. Favoritism is sin. Therefore God doesn't show favoritism.

 

[Iconoclast]

The everlasting gospel is neither the limited atonement of Calvinism nor the provisional salvation of Arminianism. Rather, it is the incredible good news that on the cross the entire human race was actually or objectively redeemed, justified, and reconciled to God by the death of His Son (John 3:17; 17:4; 19:30; Romans 5:5-10,18; Ephesians 2:5, 6, 8, 9; 2 Corinthians 5:19). This is God’s supreme gift to the entire human race, made effective by faith (John 3:16; Romans 3:21-28).

Welcome to BB.
However your statement is not biblical at all.the whole human race is not included in the blessings to the saints.