Which is more important, the will of the Tea Party or the will of the people?
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The GOP's rude awakening on health-care repeal
- Thread starter Crabtownboy
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If they dont take care of Jobs & the economy & mess around with Health Care like BO did, they may find them out the door by the same voters that put them in there.
Considering that the Republicans ran largely on working to repeal the Obama healthscare plan - they had no choice but to propose it and then hold a vote.
As the Republicans now put forward bills to create jobs and improve the economy we will get to see that it is really the Demoncrats who are the "party of no".
The Demoncrats will try to block anything that the Republicans offer on just about any issue.
Glad Im independent then.
freeatlast
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First let me say that i am not a tea party supporter, nor dissenter I am independent, not an independent, just independent. The OP is somewhat miss-leading. First the main point of the tea party is not the health care law. The main thing is the debt and the government stripping away of the peoples rights and freedoms. Yes the tea party sees that the health care law will raise the debt and there are some provisions in the bill they are against, but the health care law is not their main agenda.
That being said the problem here in regards with the two parties is not about one over the other. It is about Washington getting themselves back to doing the business of the people and not their back door deals with self promoting agenda that is bankrupting this nation.
The last election results was in the hopes that the republicans would get the message and because of that message the democrats would also see the light. Neither happened. What the republicans did was play the we hear you card and all the while were deaf and blind to the real message. Their only agenda was to get elected back to power.
The republicans new that they had no possible way to override the health care bill even though they said they would. The vote on the bill is a totally sham. The next thing on the republican agenda is to claim that they need more seats in the next election with a republican President. What we are seeing is Washington at its best. Lying to the people and covering their own failures, passing their failures onto the people with higher taxes which will have to come along with some serious cuts.
We are 14 plus trillion in debt. One trillion is a million dollars a day every day for 2739 years. We are 14 times that in debt. That debt is growing at the rate of about 4 plus billion a day. That is 4 thousand million a day or 4 thousand one million dollar bills a day deeper in debt. We have to borrow about 25% of every dollar we spend to cover the checks written by the government and this is increasing. Social Security would be solvent if the government had not took the money and spent it replacing it with IOU's. There is now 2.5 trillion dollars of IOU's in the Social security fund tied up in bonds. Figure that one out. The Social security system is earning interest off this fraudulent bond fund that is actually IOU's or money that does not exist and paid for by the government who does not have the money, so the money is borrowed to pay the interest on money that is not really there.
So what we have is no money earning interest and the interest is being paid to the social security who is in the red because the government took their money to cover other debts, but that money which is interest on an IOU that is given to Social Security has to be bowered because the government is broke and in turn increases the debt even more. And they prosecuted Bernard Madoff ?!
Believe me the next election will be critical if this nation is to survive.
That being said the problem here in regards with the two parties is not about one over the other. It is about Washington getting themselves back to doing the business of the people and not their back door deals with self promoting agenda that is bankrupting this nation.
The last election results was in the hopes that the republicans would get the message and because of that message the democrats would also see the light. Neither happened. What the republicans did was play the we hear you card and all the while were deaf and blind to the real message. Their only agenda was to get elected back to power.
The republicans new that they had no possible way to override the health care bill even though they said they would. The vote on the bill is a totally sham. The next thing on the republican agenda is to claim that they need more seats in the next election with a republican President. What we are seeing is Washington at its best. Lying to the people and covering their own failures, passing their failures onto the people with higher taxes which will have to come along with some serious cuts.
We are 14 plus trillion in debt. One trillion is a million dollars a day every day for 2739 years. We are 14 times that in debt. That debt is growing at the rate of about 4 plus billion a day. That is 4 thousand million a day or 4 thousand one million dollar bills a day deeper in debt. We have to borrow about 25% of every dollar we spend to cover the checks written by the government and this is increasing. Social Security would be solvent if the government had not took the money and spent it replacing it with IOU's. There is now 2.5 trillion dollars of IOU's in the Social security fund tied up in bonds. Figure that one out. The Social security system is earning interest off this fraudulent bond fund that is actually IOU's or money that does not exist and paid for by the government who does not have the money, so the money is borrowed to pay the interest on money that is not really there.
So what we have is no money earning interest and the interest is being paid to the social security who is in the red because the government took their money to cover other debts, but that money which is interest on an IOU that is given to Social Security has to be bowered because the government is broke and in turn increases the debt even more. And they prosecuted Bernard Madoff ?! Believe me the next election will be critical if this nation is to survive.
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Got it in one.
Also agree, though at this point I do not think it possible for the dems to get the point as long as their party has the leadership that it does.
Respectfuliy disagree. Yes, it looks like it has a snowball's chance to be repealed at this point, but a stand/statement must be made. Should they wait until the next election cycle with the hope that they win the White House and gain a majority in the senate before they act? Of course not.
I would submit that, based on the results of the election, that the will of the Tea Party and the will of the people are the same. Remember it is majority rules.
Crabby likes to cherry pick polls that support his views.
Unfortunately for him a poll was taken last November that didn't turn out to his liking.
Namely - the elections.
I'm not so sure about the AP poll, coming out just days before the vote. Thought this was a good article about the different polls concerning American's feelings on repealing Obamacare.
Polls Apart
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/560159/201101181901/Polls-Apart.htm
Polls Apart
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/560159/201101181901/Polls-Apart.htm
...or the oath Congress took to uphold the Constitution?
Or the will of big Pharma, the health care industry & it's lobbyists
Well, FAL, you may be correct (fact I'm tempted to agree with you), but why not wait and see what happens over the long haul. I would love to be surprised and find that the new guys are holding the feet of the rest to the fire.
'Course the Obama monstrosity will not be repealed - not with the Ds holding the senate and KNOWING that the ZERO will veto; SHOULD IT PASS THE SENATE. BUT, BUT, it will be on record (unless, as I've heard, that Reid will not let it come up for a vote -surprise, surprise!!) as to what rep/sen voted how.
That will be useful info come the '12 elections.
Now if the public is lulled back into a stupor as in the '08 race, then all bets are off - we've been had!!!!
Then in that case, I will ask Crabby this question (of course any one is invited to answer.)
We have heard by the libs that Obamacare might need some tuning up - some changes could be made.
So let me use this analogy
Crabby, three others and I jointly buy a used car for $1,200- not a bad price - but the seller insisted that we buy it immediately - or it may not be available. I ask to check it out - but Crabby says, we have to buy it to see how it runs. Lets face it is a great car - has a super CD-FM/AM Stereo system, great hubcaps and two-tone paint job. On the way home, Crabby is driving the car and admits it needs a little work. I have my friend Larry the mechanic check it out. Engine needs to be rebuilt, timing belt is extremely frayed, brakes are bad, muffler is falling off, 4 of the 5 tires are bald...
Yes, we could chip away at it fix all that it needs, but it would cost $15,000 to repair.
Or we could sell it for $500 (loose $700) and buy the car I had insisted on -the wagon that had 21,00 miles for $10,000 - and the 100,000 mile warranty would still be valid
The four of us are evenly divided 2-2 - so Crabby, you are the deciding vote.......
So Crab - what is your choice - "fine tune' the piece of junk we have" or scrap and start from scratch with a decent vehicle.
Crabby would no doubt say that if you are a Christian you would be willing to pay all of the cost by yourself to have the piece of junk fine tuned since you obviously have more money since you could afford to buy the more expensive car.
As an additional penalty for having more money you should also be required to buy new bicycles for the other four guys kids to boot - you greedy blood sucker!
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A very hypothetical question with no application, other than your opinion. I'd take the bus. :laugh:
Hypothetical - definitely
Application - very accurate example
Salty
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bus = Medicaid :smilewinkgrin:
pps and the govt will give you a free taxi ride to the bus stop :tear:
ppps, I suppose that Rbell is right (post 14 - last paragraph - first sentence)
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I think you meant Medicare ... and when I turned 65 I had not choice but to sign on to that program. The major change I have seen since I signed onto Medicare is that I do not always have to get a referral from my primary physician when I want to see a specialist. I do have an option in that I am a Vet and can use the VA system.
I believe the GOP house members knew when they voted that is was for politics only. They were simply playing to some of their voters. Now they can say, "Hey, we tried."
There is no way this will be signed into law. In fact, it most likely will never be brought up, even in committee in the senate.
Because the Demoncrats are the real "party of no".