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The Gospel is not

1689Dave

1689Dave

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Barry Johnson said:
Notice in Eph 1.13 how the new birth happens.
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“In whom ye also trusted (Holy Spirit Faith), after that ye heard the word of truth (Because of the Holy Spirit), the gospel of your salvation (already saved): in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed (OSAS) with that holy Spirit of promise,” Ephesians 1:13 (NCPB)
 
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Barry Johnson

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1689Dave said:
“In whom ye also trusted (Holy Spirit Faith), after that ye heard the word of truth (Because of the Holy Spirit), the gospel of your salvation (already saved): in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed (OSAS) with that holy Spirit of promise,” Ephesians 1:13 (NCPB)
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Now you sound like a good catholic adding to the text . Thats not what the verse says does it ?
 
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Barry Johnson

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1689Dave said:
“My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,” Galatians 4:19 (NCPB)
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The only way we are conformed' physically' to his image is the adoption . The redemption of the body . rom 8.23
rom 8.19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the MANIFESTATION of the sons of God.
1john 3.2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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Barry Johnson

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1689Dave said:
You don't understand Paul about walking in the Spirit. Perhaps you cannot?
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walking in the spirit has nothing to do with being glorified . You don't glorify yourself . Its Gods sovereign, free act that he does to the believer . We are waiting for this ,we are not co workers in the Adoption ( glorification).
This is what we are predestined to.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Barry Johnson said:
walking in the spirit has nothing to do with being glorified . You don't glorify yourself . Its Gods sovereign, free act that he does to the believer . We are waiting for this ,we are not co workers in the Adoption ( glorification).
This is what we are predestined to.
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We reflect Christ's glory by walking in the Spirit.
“that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.” 2 Thessalonians 1:12 (NCPB)
 
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Barry Johnson

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1689Dave said:
We reflect Christ's glory by walking in the Spirit.
“that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.” 2 Thessalonians 1:12 (NCPB)
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Boy you must have a hard time reading the bible if every use of the same word means the same context to you . Justified, sanctified, choice , choose , elect , ordained, faith , adopt ect . Context is key.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Barry Johnson said:
Boy you must have a hard time reading the bible if every use of the same word means the same context to you . Justified, sanctified, choice , choose , elect , ordained, faith , adopt ect . Context is key.
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So scripture is "buggy" and you are not?
 
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Van

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Barry Johnson said:
if you mean 'believe in vain 'I would agree . but believing is met with a 'change of mind ' . however its not a 'commitment 'or a 'promise to serve ' 'repent of sinning 'It s believing from the heart .
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My understanding of the gospel includes our choosing to follow Jesus, and therefore is a commitment to serve.
 
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Van

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Barry Johnson said:
I can't see that as the Gospel message in the epistles. Do you mean in order to be saved ? or stay saved ?
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Please do not waste my time.. I have posted I believe in OSAS more than one hundred times. I am sick and tired of peple asking questions that imply I believe in false doctrine.

The gospel message is found in the NT, no need to slice and dice scripture to deny the obvious.

Mat 8:22
But Jesus *said to him, “Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead.”

Mat 9:9
As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man called Matthew, sitting in the tax collector's booth; and He *said to him, “Follow Me!” And he got up and followed Him.

Matk 16:24
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Mark 10:21
Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Luke 18:22
When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

My understanding of the gospel includes our choosing to follow Jesus, and therefore is a commitment to serve.

 
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Barry Johnson

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Van said:
Please do not waste my time.. I have posted I believe in OSAS more than one hundred times. I am sick and tired of peple asking questions that imply I believe in false doctrine.

The gospel message is found in the NT, no need to slice and dice scripture to deny the obvious.

Mat 8:22
But Jesus *said to him, “Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead.”

before the cross here and they were following physically.

Mat 9:9
As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man called Matthew, sitting in the tax collector's booth; and He *said to him, “Follow Me!” And he got up and followed Him.
same here
Matk 16:24
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
same here
Mark 10:21
Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
same here
Luke 18:22
When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
same here
My understanding of the gospel includes our choosing to follow Jesus, and therefore is a commitment to serve.
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Barry Johnson

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Van said:
Please do not waste my time.. I have posted I believe in OSAS more than one hundred times. I am sick and tired of peple asking questions that imply I believe in false doctrine.

The gospel message is found in the NT, no need to slice and dice scripture to deny the obvious.

Mat 8:22
But Jesus *said to him, “Follow Me, and allow the dead to bury their own dead.”

Mat 9:9
As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man called Matthew, sitting in the tax collector's booth; and He *said to him, “Follow Me!” And he got up and followed Him.

Matk 16:24
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Mark 10:21
Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Luke 18:22
When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

My understanding of the gospel includes our choosing to follow Jesus, and therefore is a commitment to serve.
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The above verses were directed at those physically to follow Jesus . The Gospel message in 1 cor 15 is not ' follow me ' or a promise to serve . Jesus has already gone to the cross .We are to believe in what Jesus already did, to be saved . Even if you believe in OSAS you can still preach a wrong message .We all can .
 
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