The Gospel is not

[1689Dave]

No the Faith mentioned in Galations , just like love , Joy , peace ect are not the same, ' Faith in the galations context is something that comes only to a believer after he is saved . The same gift of faith mentioned in corinthians . Its a extra measure of faith for the saints .

Paul says faith works by love = the Holy Spirit first, then faith.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Paul says faith works by love = the Holy Spirit first, then faith.

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
waiting by faith .

 

[Barry Johnson]

Paul says faith works by love = the Holy Spirit first, then faith.

by love .

 

[1689Dave]

by love .

God (the Holy Spirit) is love.

 

[1689Dave]

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
waiting by faith .

Only the saved have the Holy Spirit and faith.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Paul says faith works by love = the Holy Spirit first, then faith.

unbelievers don't have the Holy spirit .

 

[Barry Johnson]

Only the saved have the Holy Spirit and faith.

only the saved have the Holy Spirit and the specific measure of faith Galations in context is talking about .

 

[1689Dave]

unbelievers don't have the Holy spirit .

Only those with the Holy Spirit believe.

 

[1689Dave]

only the saved have the Holy Spirit and the specific measure of faith Galations in context is talking about .

= you must be saved before you believe.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Only those with the Holy Spirit believe.

believe what ?

 

[1689Dave]

believe what ?

The truth.

 

[Barry Johnson]

= you must be saved before you believe.

So you can be saved without the Holy Spirit ?

 

[Barry Johnson]

The truth.

of what ?

 

[1689Dave]

So you can be saved without the Holy Spirit ?

No, having the Holy Spirit is salvation. Discerning the truth and faith follow.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Only those with the Holy Spirit believe.

Notice the order which is the complete opposite to what you believe .
13¶In whom ye also trusted, AFTER that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

 

[1689Dave]

of what ?

Those who experience the new birth understand by experience.

 

[1689Dave]

Notice the order which is the complete opposite to what you believe .
13¶In whom ye also trusted, AFTER that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

It's a process beginning with the New Birth.

 

[Barry Johnson]

It's a process beginning with the New Birth.

Salvation is a process ?

 

[1689Dave]

Salvation is a process ?

A process of having Christ formed in us. But always saved by grace from eternity.

 

[Barry Johnson]

A process of having Christ formed in us. But always saved by grace from eternity.

You've got some ' out there ' beliefs for sure .