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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    Paul says faith works by love = the Holy Spirit first, then faith.
     
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    Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
    5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
    waiting by faith .
     
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    by love .
     
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    God (the Holy Spirit) is love.
     
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    Only the saved have the Holy Spirit and faith.
     
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    unbelievers don't have the Holy spirit .
     
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    only the saved have the Holy Spirit and the specific measure of faith Galations in context is talking about .
     
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    Only those with the Holy Spirit believe.
     
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    = you must be saved before you believe.
     
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    believe what ?
     
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    The truth.
     
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    So you can be saved without the Holy Spirit ?
     
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    of what ?
     
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    No, having the Holy Spirit is salvation. Discerning the truth and faith follow.
     
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    Notice the order which is the complete opposite to what you believe .
    13¶In whom ye also trusted, AFTER that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
     
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    Those who experience the new birth understand by experience.
     
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    It's a process beginning with the New Birth.
     
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    Salvation is a process ?
     
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    A process of having Christ formed in us. But always saved by grace from eternity.
     
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    You've got some ' out there ' beliefs for sure .
     
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