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The Great Flood

SheepWhisperer

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Short answer: he spouts off lies intended to bolster the Creation argument, but makes us look stupid to atheists because of his junk science.

Ken Ham is good. I may not agree with him on everything, but I believe he is a good and intelligent man.

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Many years ago our pastor, at the time, took the church youth to see "Dinosaur Adventureland" in Pensacola and I went along as a chaperone. There were lots of goofy "proofs" in his museum including pictures of "mokele mbembe" and the "loch ness monster" . I even met Mr. Hovind himself and heard him griping about taxes. On the way home, when I mentioned some of the junk science to my pastor, he admonished me for it.
 
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Bro. James

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NASA thinks they spotted a body of water 140 trillion times bigger than earth's oceans, 12 billion light years out. See: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/universe20110722.html Search the 404 page for: water in space.

Potability is not readily apparent. Certainly sounds like enough to cover the earth in a catastrophic manner.

"And God closed the door."

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James
 
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SheepWhisperer

Active Member
NASA thinks they spotted a body of water 140 trillion times bigger than earth's oceans, 12 billion light years out. See: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/features/universe20110722.html Search the 404 page for: water in space.

Potability is not readily apparent. Certainly sounds like enough to cover the earth in a catastrophic manner.

"And God closed the door."

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

If it's "12 billion light years" away, I doubt very seriously they can tell what material anything is made of.
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
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Aren't the stars in the firmament? Wouldn't those waters be beyond the stars?
No. The "firmament" is a general term much like our word "sky."

The "sky" can be the "sky" where the birds fly, the "sky" where the stars shine, or the "sky" that is the abode of God.

The reference to waters above the firmament refers to the firmament where the birds fly.
 

Aaron

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No. The "firmament" is a general term much like our word "sky."

The "sky" can be the "sky" where the birds fly, the "sky" where the stars shine, or the "sky" that is the abode of God.

The reference to waters above the firmament refers to the firmament where the birds fly.
I disagree. The text seems to me to express otherwise. God created a firmament in the midst of the waters and put the sun moon and stars in that firmament. I think Adam could look up at night and see each pinpoint of light in the sky.
 

Bro. James

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Going back to the Ark in which God preserved seed to replenish the earth--what kind of termites were in the the wood? Did they make a lot of greenhouse gas? One of the biggest problems in the world today is too many termites--also too many people for the food supply. How about chocolate covered termites for protein?

Time to get serious: God said there would be famine and pestilence in the end of time. We haven't seen anything yet.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James
 

Aaron

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I think so too. Adam could see the sun, moon, and stars. How does that negate what I said?
In my view Gen 1 negates what you said, but water vapor in quantities sufficient to have the thermal effects you are describing would be practically opaque.
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
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In my view Gen 1 negates what you said, but water vapor in quantities sufficient to have the thermal effects you are describing would be practically opaque.
Uh, no. Water vapor is not mist. Water vapor is oderless, colorless, and invisible to the eye. On a humid day here in south Texas the relative humidity often approaches 100% of saturation, but the air is still perfectly transparent. We pilots refer to this as CAVU (Ceiling and Visibility Unlimited). There is water vapor between your eyes and the computer screen you are looking at, but you can't see the water vapor. :)
 

Aaron

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Uh, no. Water vapor is not mist. Water vapor is oderless, colorless, and invisible to the eye. On a humid day here in south Texas the relative humidity often approaches 100% of saturation, but the air is still perfectly transparent. We pilots refer to this as CAVU (Ceiling and Visibility Unlimited). There is water vapor between your eyes and the computer screen you are looking at, but you can't see the water vapor. :)
Lol, because it's too thin.

But that's beside the point. God called the firmament, the expanse between the waters that are below and the waters that are above the firmament, "heaven," and therein he placed the sun moon and stars.
 

TCassidy

Late-Administator Emeritus
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God called the firmament, the expanse between the waters that are below and the waters that are above the firmament, "heaven," and therein he placed the sun moon and stars.
Yes. The waters below the sky and the waters above the sky. I fail to see the problem.
 

Aaron

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Yes. The vapor canopy was probably somewhere in the vicinity of the tropopause.
Well that's the difficulty, then. If the firmament is the division between the waters above and the waters below, and the sun, moon and stars are in the firmament, then your vapor canopy is somewhere beyond the stars.

Anticipating your response, I will say simply that one has to come to the text with a presupposition to assume the firmament of vs 6 is not the one of vs 14.
 
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