The great sin of evangelicals

[Salty]

From time to time when I am preaching- I will purposely misread a verse of Scripture, pause for a moment - than say - wait is that what the Bible says - then I will continue and state - "Oh, sorry, I was reading out the Salty Authorized Version"

Yes, I want folks to read along with me as I read Scripture! and not just take my word for it. Rather it is His Word!

 

[InTheLight]

From time to time when I am preaching- I will purposely misread a verse of Scripture, pause for a moment - than say - wait is that what the Bible says - then I will continue and state - "Oh, sorry, I was reading out the Salty Authorized Version"

LOL! Yes, that will keep them on their toes!

 

[blessedwife318]

For sure.

In our Wed night bible study I lead, I am constantly telling the people to get into the scriptures. Don't take my word for it. Investigate. Context....scripture, scripture, scripture

A couple of weeks ago, a lady spoke up with "hold on a minute. I'm not sure the context supports what you're drawing out of this passage."

I was referencing a short parenthetical insert, which was not in keeping with the larger context. So we stopped, she read the entire passage, and came to the conclusion that I had used that portion of scripture accurately.

So she started apologizing for interrupting, for questioning me, etc.

I told her that what she did made my heart sing. She valued scripture over my opinion. She was investigating context, everything I've been telling them for a year. Trust scripture over man. My words might tickle your ears, but God's word will renew your mind.

Yes that is what it should be like. Digging into God's word, not just more and more books written by fallible man about God's word.

 

[annsni]

Last week I spent over 60 hours face to face with folks going through various levels of cancer treatment. We're all going to die. They have a better idea of when. When your hair is all gone and you have burns from radiation treatment you ask question about what happens after life is done. I thought it was a good idea to hold their hand, wipe their tears and tell them about Jesus.

I should have checked with you first and stood across the room and yelled at them.

Padre - You are doing exactly what we are called to do. Thank you for your ministry of mercy and love!

I did not post this thread asking for advice. I posted it to encourage people to do what Jonah did.

Evan - Let me ask you this: How many Jonahs did God send to Nineveh?

 

[padredurand]

Padre - You are doing exactly what we are called to do. Thank you for your ministry of mercy and love!

We all have the call to do the work of the evangelist. The where and how are dictated by our gifts and the opportunities given us. Pastors have unique opportunities to reach folks with the Gospel. So do ditch diggers and homemakers. We all evangelize where and when we have a voice. A person working in a factory has a circle of influence outside the reach of a cashier at Wally World. A truck driver from the east coast can have a coffee at a truck stop in Kansas with a small family from the west coast.

It is naive to think evangelism is only defined as street preaching using another man's methodology. It is forecast to be -15 this Saturday. Believe it or not there won't be an awful lot of folks on the streets. Then there is the little problem of not having a downtown. There was one until the great Urban Renewal project in the early 1970s.

 

[quantumfaith]

From time to time when I am preaching- I will purposely misread a verse of Scripture, pause for a moment - than say - wait is that what the Bible says - then I will continue and state - "Oh, sorry, I was reading out the Salty Authorized Version"

Yes, I want folks to read along with me as I read Scripture! and not just take my word for it. Rather it is His Word!

I do that often in my mathematics lectures.....hoping to find is attention is being paid.

 

[OldRegular]

I do that often in my mathematics lectures.....hoping to find is attention is being paid.

My youngest brother taught High School Math for several years before working for the Defense Dept. After retiring he substituted some in a High School near DC where his wife taught. He told me if you took their calculators away they were lost.

 

[quantumfaith]

My youngest brother taught High School Math for several years before working for the Defense Dept. After retiring he substituted some in a High School near DC where his wife taught. He told me if you took their calculators away they were lost.

Unfortunately for a large portion of population that I teach the same is true. I honestly believe that calculators are put in the hands of students way too early. I am "dreading" the proliferation of applications like the following:

https://photomath.net/

 

[Sapper Woody]

so Jonahs method does work.

I'm pretty sure I've heard you admit that you've never seen a single convert from this method. Yet you claim it works?

 

[Rippon]

We all have the call to do the work of the evangelist. The where and how are dictated by our gifts and the opportunities given us. Pastors have unique opportunities to reach folks with the Gospel. So do ditch diggers and homemakers. We all evangelize where and when we have a voice. A person working in a factory has a circle of influence outside the reach of a cashier at Wally World. A truck driver from the east coast can have a coffee at a truck stop in Kansas with a small family from the west coast.

It is naive to think evangelism is only defined as street preaching using another man's methodology. It is forecast to be -15 this Saturday. Believe it or not there won't be an awful lot of folks on the streets. Then there is the little problem of not having a downtown. There was one until the great Urban Renewal project in the early 1970s.

I appreciate your posts padre --very much.

 

[InTheLight]

Originally Posted by evangelist6589
so Jonahs method does work.

I'm pretty sure I've heard you admit that you've never seen a single convert from this method. Yet you claim it works?

It's ironic that Evan would say this because Jonah's method was not to convert Nineveh to Judaism, it was to get them to turn from their evil, violent ways in order to avert destruction by a holy God. So he is misapplying and warping Jonah's warning message into an evangelical message. Nobody got converted from Jonah's method.

 

[annsni]

I will again ask: How many Jonahs did God send to Nineveh?

 

[Rolfe]

God called Jonah to preach to Nineveh and God called many to salvation. It was not Jonahs persuasive words but God who brought about salvation.

Do you believe that God can do a similar work in Denver, New York, San Francisco, LA, Dallas, Houston, Chicago? I believe that he can but the problem is most christians do not see a need to confront the world and to preach repentance. Most have better things to do and would rather be involved in non confrontational ministry.

Listening to a recent Way of the Master minute on confronting false teachers the suggestion was to be bold and to open up the law in doing so. Are you doing this when you confront false teachers? Are you writing letters, meetings with false prophets and calling them to repentance? If not go out and do what Jesus did.

I think if people all did these things we may see rivals in cities. So go out and call people to repentance as Jonah did!!

So what exactly is the "Great Sin"? Not preacing repentance on street corners? Not writing letters? Not confronting false teachers? Not listening to Way of the Master?

 

[gigabyte71]

So what exactly is the "Great Sin"? Not preacing repentance on street corners? Not writing letters? Not confronting false teachers? Not listening to Way of the Master?

Funny, I don't see Paul using WotM...

"And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ."" Acts 17:2-3 ESV

"So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there[/B]. Some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers also conversed with him. And some said, "What does this babbler wish to say?" Others said, "He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities"--because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection." Acts 17:17-18 ESV

"And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and tried to persuade Jews and Greeks. When Silas and Timothy arrived from Macedonia, Paul was occupied with the word, testifying to the Jews that the Christ was Jesus." Acts 18:4-5 ESV

And I didn't see Jude tell them to write letters to heretical churches, rather he told them to build up each other in the holy faith and pray.

"But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. They said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.” It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. And have mercy on those who doubt; save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh." Jude 17-23 ESV

But what I see no where is them walking around proclaiming that God was getting ready to destroy them.

 

[InTheLight]

Funny, I don't see Paul using WotM...

"And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, "This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ."" Acts 17:2-3 ESV

"So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there. Some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers also conversed with him. And some said, "What does this babbler wish to say?" Others said, "He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities"--because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection." Acts 17:17-18 ESV

"And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and tried to persuade Jews and Greeks. When Silas and Timothy arrived from Macedonia, Paul was occupied with the word, testifying to the Jews that the Christ was Jesus." Acts 18:4-5 ESV

But what I see no where is them walking around proclaiming that God was getting ready to destroy them.

The fact that the apostle Paul usually went into the synagogues and preached and didn't stand around on a street corner has been pointed out to Evan many, many times. Doesn't matter to him, though.

 

[InTheLight]

God called Jonah to preach to Nineveh and God called many to salvation. It was not Jonahs persuasive words but God who brought about salvation.

Salvation from bodily death, not salvation from eternal death.

 

[evangelist6589]

Arminian multiply like rabbits!!!!

 

[InTheLight]

Arminian multiply like rabbits!!!!

What does Cal vs. Arminian have to do with this?

Look at the text. Jonah was not an evangelist, he was a prophet. He didn't convert people, he warned them.

Please address the issue instead of ducking out of the conversation with your rabbit schtick.

Answer the questions we've put:

What is the great sin of evangelicals?
How many Jonah's did God send to Nineveh?

 

[Rolfe]

Arminian multiply like rabbits!!!!

What is the great sin?

You seem to be acting like your beloved rabbit: darting left and right to avoid explaining yourself.

 

[gigabyte71]

What does Cal vs. Arminian have to do with this?

Look at the text. Jonah was not an evangelist, he was a prophet. He didn't convert people, he warned them.

Please address the issue instead of ducking out of the conversation with your rabbit schtick.

Answer the questions we've put:

What is the great sin of evangelicals?
How many Jonah's did God send to Nineveh?

Probably trying to find a book that has those answers in them..