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A big amen and ditto to you sir!

 

The quotation marks were identifying what YOU SAID.

YOU SAID Bobby Fisher was in "complete control" while describing him in a way in which he LARGELY had no control. In fact the kind of "complete control" you speak of in your anecdote has Fisher only really controlling the END result of it all- which is what I figure you believe about God basically. I figure you believe God intervenes from time to time, but that BILLIONS of things happen every day apart from his purposes and totally out from under his control- he only controls them in the sense that he will work them out in the END.



EDITED to note that your words were actually "TOTAL control"

 

Right.

If not, then there is no point in talking about him at all.

He can keep his word and NOT keep it all at the same time. He can exist and NOT exist all at the same time.

It is BECAUSE he is logical that he is so wonderful and trustworthy.

Logic proceeds from God the exact same way that love proceeds from God.

If logic is bunk as some would insinuate then this conversation, as well as all conversation, is meaningless.

 

I will post them but you have ignored a point that I want you to address.

"TOTAL CONTROL" was not my words. They were YOUR words. I believe them- for certain.

But you do not.

You said that God's control is something like Fisher's control in that he has TOTAL CONTROL over the chess game while the player makes his own moves.

So in this TOTAL CONTROL Fisher has no control over his opponents opener and upwards of a dozen or so other moves.

Do you not see that this violates the law of non-contradiction?

 

Here are a few to get us started.

Note for those who would like to say that I am doing that which I repudiate in simply copying and pasting verses with no exegesis that I am only doing it because it has been requested that I do so.


Exod 4:11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man’s mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

Deut 32:39 See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.

2 Chr 20:6 and said, “O Lord, God of our fathers, are you not God in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. In your hand are power and might, so that none is able to withstand You.

Ps 103:19 The Lord has established His throne in the heavens, and His kingdom rules over all.

Ps 115:3 Our God is in the heavens; He does all that He pleases.

Ps 135:6 Whatever the Lord pleases, He does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps.

Isa 45:5-7 I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides Me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides Me; I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all My purpose,’

Dan 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and He does according to His will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay His hand or say to Him, “What have you done?”

Luke 1:37 For nothing will be impossible with God.

Acts 4:27-28 For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your plan had predestined to take place.

Acts 17:26 And He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place

Rev 17:17 For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

Prov 21:1 The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He will.

Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and blind their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed. (Note – this is the 3rd most frequently quoted passage in the NT)

Ezek 36:26-27 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes and be careful to obey My rules.

Mark 4:11-12 And He said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, so that “they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.”

John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

John 6:65 And He said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

John 8:43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.

John 10:26 But you do not believe because you are not part of my flock.

John 12:39-40 Therefore they could not believe. For again Isaiah said, “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

Rom 6:17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed,

Rom 8:7-8 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills.

Rom 11:8 As it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day.”

 

And by that you deny that logic is objective.

Come now. God says he forgets too, doesn't he. To say that he really does not forget is not to say that one does not believe the Bible. In fact it is to verify that one DOES believe the Bible- not just an interpretation based on a single passage not compared with other passages to derive it's accurate meaning.

Wilson does not believe God makes actual choices either but like me that that language is anthropomorphic- just like the passage that says God will not remember.

 

So "TOTAL CONTROL" to you means hardly in control at all until the end.

This is why your name is in my OP.

 

More than that they speak to the fact the God is ACTUALLY God- not God light, but God- in total control of the beginning, middle and end. In control on an intergalactic level and a subatomic level. In control of good and in control of evil.

They teach that God has purposes and he controls everything as he brings those purposes to pass.

And we, his people REJOICE at this knowledge.

 

Yes, they do.

 

Yes, they do.