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Which is Most important

  1. Bible

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  2. Jesus

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  3. Gift of Salvation

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  4. Eternal Life

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  5. Holy Spirit

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  6. All are equally important

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  7. Cant have one without the others

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  8. Two or more are the most important (please state in a post)

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  9. Not sure

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  10. Other answer - Please explain

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  1. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
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    How do you know about the one it testifies about?
    Would it be okay to believe in the great spirit in the sky? Would it be okay to offer the sacrifice of Cain to this great spirit?
     
    #61 Iconoclast, May 5, 2020
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    No Dilemma. Jesus is who He is regardless of anything. Without Jesus, no person would be Saved. Countless people were saved before books of the New Testament were written, much less compiled into "The Bible".

    How many could have been saved without Jesus?
    Do you worship The Bible or Jesus Christ. The one you worship is the most important.
     
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    Were people saved prior to the New Testament being written?
     
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    The Gospel proclaims Christ. The Bible proclaims Christ. Can we rightly say news of a gift is better than the gift itself, or even on a par with it?

    As much as I love the Bible as God’s word, it is not God; it is not the Holy Spirit; it is not a fourth member of the Godhead. We should be careful not to advocate Bibliolatry.

    The question you must answer is, Where does the Bible claim it is a greater gift than God’s Son?
     
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    God so loved the world that He gave us His only book....no...His only Son.


    We can play the chicken and egg game - Without Christ what good would Scripture be?

    But it is fruitless because Scripture has given us the answer.

    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. Colossians 1:15-2
     
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    Without Jesus death, it would not matter what you did.
     
    #66 Reynolds, May 5, 2020
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    Your post did not answer the question. Which Jesus?
    Why does anyone need to worship Him?
     
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    It doesn't look like anyone question that at all. The question is how did you come to know about it and how do you know it's true?
     
    #68 Iconoclast, May 5, 2020
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    Is there more than one Son of God?
     
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    This doesn't answer to the Op. How would you know the facts contained and written in Colossians without the scripture?
     
    #70 Iconoclast, May 5, 2020
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    That is up to God. Maybe you would have told me. Maybe God would have told me in a dream (, if, hypothetically God chose not to give us Scripture).

    I suspect were God not to have given us Scripture we would have prophets and miracles attesting to the validity of their message.

    But it is all hypothetical.

    I know God's Son is the greatest gift because He has the first place in everything.

    Do you believe Scripture is greater than God?
     
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    How would we know? how would we know that there is a Son of God?
     
    #72 Iconoclast, May 5, 2020
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    I know Jesus is alive !
     
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    And you claim not to have studied Karl Barth that much, as that was him you just gave!
     
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    Sorry but all of those questions do not change the fact that the testimony cannot be greater than that of which it testifies of.
     
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    I asked you questions first.
    Is The Bible God?
    Is anything more important than God?
    The created thing more important than The Creator.
     
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    I believe that if there were no Scripture then God would have chosen another means to communicate the gospel.

    Scripture is a means to know God better, but God could have communicated the gospel in a Bible tract or oral tradition.

    Scripture is not greater than God.
     
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    By dreams and vision and voice, as in the OT!
     
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    If there were no Scripture, I think so. Or prophets, signs and wonders.

    I don't know, Yeshua1. Because we do have Scripture.

    But Scripture is not greater than God and knowing about God is not greater than knowing God.
     
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    Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

    La de da... Brother Glen:Whistling
     
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