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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Iconoclast, May 5, 2020.

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Which is Most important

  1. Bible

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  2. Jesus

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  3. Gift of Salvation

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  4. Eternal Life

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  5. Holy Spirit

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  6. All are equally important

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  7. Cant have one without the others

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  8. Two or more are the most important (please state in a post)

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  9. Not sure

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  10. Other answer - Please explain

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  1. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast Well-Known Member
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    The fact is you do not understand the OP and you don't have the ability to interact with it because of that lack of understanding. What is predictablele is anything I posed the same little band of posse of people will oppose it no matter what I say I could post a scripture verse you guys would oppose it and that's fine I'm OK with it if that's what you have to do I understand
     
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    It's the message of Christ that saves people--the Word of Faith--Christ Himself. The preaching of Christ would have still gone on--HE CAME TO THE EARTH AND PEOPLE PREACHED ABOUT IT--and the Spirit of God would still keep regenerating folks for thousands of years. Think about it. It's the Gospel of Christ that saves--and He handed it off to people to TELL others, so others would tell about Him, so others would tell about HIM.

    In other words, even if we did not have the Scriptures, the Message of Christ could still be proliferated because Christ visited humanity and His life and death and resurrection could still be communicated--which is enough to save someone.

    @Iconoclast, you are pitting Scriptures against Christ himself. I'd probably back down from this one, friend.
     
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    It's not hard to understand. Not hard at all. I understand it.

    What's the greatest gift to mankind?
    "The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

    Asked and answered.
     
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    Somehow, it seems like this should appear prominently in one of the Confessions.
     
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    he bears witness with my spirit that Jesus has saved me, and he enabled me to call Him LORD!
     
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    the Holy Spirit can reveal Jesus thru words and dreams and visions if no Bible around, right?
     
    #146 Yeshua1, May 6, 2020
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    No JonS,
    2 tim3:16-17 shows Gods design on how to know and present truth.
    maybe 30000 people see Jesus incarnate, heard him audibly.
    with billions of people on the planet, most have still not heard of him and that is with bibles.
    the greatest gift to mankind is God giving his special revelation so that when we are regenerated we can be and do what 2 tim3,;16-17 speak of.
    Almost everyone on here is wrong in that they cannot answer any of the additional questions without quoting scripture???
    i have asked those additional questions, how do we know of the trinity without special revelation? How do we know which Jesus saves?
    some on here who claim to have gone to seminary should ask for a refund, or go back and study the scripture themselves
     
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    How do you know there is a Holy Spirit?
    How do you know there is a Lord?
     
    #148 Iconoclast, May 6, 2020
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    I do not understand why this is even a topic. Why would a Christian decide anything is greater a gift to humanity than God sending His Son... Than God Himself becoming one of us and sharing in our infirmity?

    IMHO, this topic does not deserve consideration on a Christian forum. I do not mean to sound critical, but Jesus is the first of importance to humanity period. Not the Father as we cannot know the Father but through the Son. Not Scripture as Scripture is but a testimony to the Son. Not the prophets because they, likewise, point to Christ.

    I do not understand how a Christian can believe anyone or anything a greater gift to humanity than Christ Himself.

    Giving anything or anyone else preeminence is, IMHO, nothing but ignorance and blasphemy.
     
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    This thread is about what actually exists not what could be what might be mlmcould God send 2000' tall angels to walk around and preach the everlasting gospel it's not about what could be its about what is.
     
    #150 Iconoclast, May 6, 2020
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    Unless Scripture is a lie, Creation itself testifies to the Godhead. We may suppress this truth, but it us there.
     
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    But Scripture itself denies that Scripture is God's greatest gift to humanity. Scripture does not dare make that claim because Scripture is of God and not of Man. Scripture will never usurp the God of Whom it testifies nor surpass the gospel it conveys.

    The error of claiming Scripture the greatest gift to humanity is in its elevation of Man. It is a humanistic idea that denies God. Scripture testifies to God's greatest gift to man in that Scripture is about Jesus Christ.

    I do not understand why so many humanistic theories seek to minimize Christ and elevate man. I do not understand why this thread is even on a Christian forum.

    A better question would be - What or Whom do you love more, Scripture or the One of Whom Scripture testifies? Which is greater?
     
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    Good go start your own thread on that idea but if your having such a struggle to understand this thread ,no one's keeping you here you are free to go
     
    #153 Iconoclast, May 6, 2020
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    No. I like this thread.

    The OP is wrong. Scripture is not a greater gift to humanity than God Himself.
     
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    Then again no one asked your opinion on what you thought of this thread. I mean you offer it but no one asked you for it .
    No one is forcing you to participate you you're coming in and you're trying to take the thread somewhere else that the thread isn't going, so I don't know what to tell you go start your own thread and post whatever you want and give whatever opinions of it you want

    feel free to leave no one is keeping you here John.
     
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    No need to start attacking me, friend. I was just interacting on this thread as best I can. No one need ask a member to participate. We are an open forum.

    Others (everyone who has responded to your thread thus far except you) have expressed the same concern I have. You attack me, but thus far all who have responded are against your philosophy and side with the preeminence of Christ in all things, even humanity.

    You seem to indicate that Scripture is the greatest gift God has given to humanity, which of course is not a Christian position. Christians look to Christ, not Scripture. Our hope is in His Resurrection. Scripture is indeed important as God's revelation of Himself to man. But Scripture is not greater than the gifting of God Himself to mankind.

    Do you believe that Scripture is a greater gift to humanity than God's own Son?

    Yes or no.
     
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    @Iconoclast,

    Please do not be offended but I am guided to ask a question I want you to think about but not necessarily answer on this forum.

    Is it possible that you are seeking knowledge about God over knowing God thorough a relationship with Christ?

    Don't answer and please do not be offended. Just consider the question. If it does not apply then dismiss it. If it applies, then prayerfully consider the alternative.

    In Christ,

    John
     
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    i believe you are here to disrupt the thread.
    I am not going to interact with you unless the time comes when you are just a regular poster.
    Go somewhere else JonC.
    You do not understand the thread at all.
    I will continue to clarify this thread with those who are interested.
    like I suggested you can of course start your version, I will not be there however
     
    #158 Iconoclast, May 6, 2020
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    Once again, you believe wrongly. But that is of no concern. To be honest I expected the error.

    Do you believe that Scripture is a greater gift to humanity than God's own Son?
     
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    I do not know how to post this any clearer.
    If I want to know what you think, I will post JonC...what do you think?
    Other than that, I am not interested in your ideas.
    this charade of you making as much if you are trying to help...give it up, every one knows what you are up to. Stop it JonC.
     
    #160 Iconoclast, May 6, 2020
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