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The Harbinger
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The book essentially states that the USA has taken on the mantle of God's chosen people and the punishment for straying from His ways is terrorist attacks.
There was an extensive discussion of it when the book was first released.
https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/isaiah-9-10-the-harbinger-gods-judgment-on-america.77081/
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There was an extensive discussion of it when the book was first released.
https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/isaiah-9-10-the-harbinger-gods-judgment-on-america.77081/
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There is a man at my church that pushes this book as an additional book to the Bible. That is enough to make me down on it. And then there was my Facebook exploding with rapture predictions bases on Cahn's book about the Shemitah was another reason for me to avoid it. I have picked it up at book stores and skimmed enough of it to know that his hermunutic involves having a newspaper and or history book in one hand and the Bible in the other to see how he can shove American History into the Bible. So no thank you.
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I think most millennial would see right through it. It more seems aimed at the people that were around when Late Great Planet Earth came out based on the people on my Facebook feed that talk about the book.
The Millennial need the Gospel just like every other generation, they don't need a bunch of mystical nonsenses that can be debunked as all the rapture predictions on my Facebook feed proved.
I do not recommend it
Well, that kinda sums it all up then.
(The book is only for millennial's; but the millennial's would see right through it; some guy wants to ADD it as another book to the Bible – someone should show this guy (Rev 22:18); and finally, I flat out don't recommend it.)
So let me ask you all this. If this book touched the heart of one lost and dying individual on their way to hell and it caused them to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus..., would it be worth it?
(The book is only for millennial's; but the millennial's would see right through it; some guy wants to ADD it as another book to the Bible – someone should show this guy (Rev 22:18); and finally, I flat out don't recommend it.)
So let me ask you all this. If this book touched the heart of one lost and dying individual on their way to hell and it caused them to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus..., would it be worth it?
Its not hard to see why ill informed people would think it is part of the Bible when churches themselves have "Bible Studies" on this book.
I see your pragmatic card and I raise you God's Sovereignty card. Anyone that God saves while reading this book would be in spite of the bad eisegesis and bad hermeneutics surrounding the Scriptures being quoted, not because of them. Pragmatism is not a good argument, and is the reason that the American Church is in the shape she is in. Good ends do not justify bad means.
At two separate times, members have dropped off this book at my office with a note encouraging me to read it. Both times, the book has been placed in a closet where other books and resources like this go (after despatching a kind thank you note.)
It isn't a good book, it doesn't help us, and it is more of the same foolishness we've been seeing for some time now. I have no interest in these things. So I don't recommend the book either.
It isn't a good book, it doesn't help us, and it is more of the same foolishness we've been seeing for some time now. I have no interest in these things. So I don't recommend the book either.
The book won't help anyone. Okay. Got it.
I heard many years ago of a "fly" that caused a young man to get saved. It was at a Tent Meeting many decades ago. This young man went simply to mock the service and to make his point, sat there with his hands over his ears. Then came the fly. He ended up spending so much time swatting the fly from his face that he heard enough of the Word that he became convicted. Truth or fiction? I don't know..., but it was told in a revival meeting at our local church.
To be honest with you I just can't seem to grasp the thought of our Heavenly Father being relegated to such a narrow avenue for opportunities when He decides to call the lost for repentance.
Oh well. You win some, you lose some and some get rained out.
I heard many years ago of a "fly" that caused a young man to get saved. It was at a Tent Meeting many decades ago. This young man went simply to mock the service and to make his point, sat there with his hands over his ears. Then came the fly. He ended up spending so much time swatting the fly from his face that he heard enough of the Word that he became convicted. Truth or fiction? I don't know..., but it was told in a revival meeting at our local church.
To be honest with you I just can't seem to grasp the thought of our Heavenly Father being relegated to such a narrow avenue for opportunities when He decides to call the lost for repentance.
Oh well. You win some, you lose some and some get rained out.
It's not often you have something of value to contribute to a thread but on this topic we agree.
Even in your story you admit that it was God's word that brought about conviction. So again I say back to your other hypothetical that it would be in spite of the bad hermunutic not because of it that a person would be convicted reading the Harbinger. So now are you going to try and defend the book you seem to want us all to read or just keep throwing hypothetical at us?
To be honest with you "blessedwife318, et.al" I am not really trying to do anything here. I just recommended the book as I considered it a good read. Throwing hypothetical at you? No and I'll sleep good tonight whether you read the book or not. A few years ago I read the book "Martian Chronicles" and considered it a good read. Spiritual? No..., it was just science fiction but if you don't like The Harbinger..., don't read the book..., but don't waste your time trying to tell me the book is trash as what works for me and what works for you is two different things.
What I am being told here, in short, is that you all are smart and I'm stupid. So, if that floats your boat then so be it. Now, if you don't mind I'll finish the last few chapters and be on my way. You all have a good day, ya' hear?
What I am being told here, in short, is that you all are smart and I'm stupid. So, if that floats your boat then so be it. Now, if you don't mind I'll finish the last few chapters and be on my way. You all have a good day, ya' hear?
The part I bolded is a very concerning statement. That is a post modern idea, especially when it comes up in a theological conversation. There is not a theology that works for you and one that works for me, there is one that is right and the rest are wrong. We may both be wrong, but we are not both right. You brought up the book and said you recommend it, one would expect you to be able to defend that.
Please quote where anyone said that you were stupid.
Internet Theologian
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Paul via the Holy Spirit has already given an answer concerning unorthodox teachings:
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 2 Timothy 4:1-4
Stick to the Word and to those who preach and expound upon it with sound doctrine.
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 2 Timothy 4:1-4
Stick to the Word and to those who preach and expound upon it with sound doctrine.
Zaac
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Was there a compliment in there somewhere? Biggrin
Here is the "Kicker" folks. A little something you've all missed in your rush to Critical Mode.
The top of the back cover provides a DISCLAIMER. Yep, it is right there in plain sight. ...I will provide it to you.
"IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE EXISTS AN ANCIENT MYSTERY THAT HOLDS THE SECRET OF AMERICA'S FUTURE? THAT THIS MYSTERY IS BEHIND EVERYTHING FROM 9/11 TO THE COLLAPSE OF THE GLOBAL ECONOMY? THAT GOD IS NOW SENDING A PROPHETIC MESSAGE ON WHICH AMERICA'S FUTURE HANGS?"
Quite clearly this is but a book of fiction. It's all supposition. An idea; a notion; a suspicion; conjecture; speculation.
Gotta go. There's another Book Burning scheduled for 10 AM this morning.
The top of the back cover provides a DISCLAIMER. Yep, it is right there in plain sight. ...I will provide it to you.
"IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE EXISTS AN ANCIENT MYSTERY THAT HOLDS THE SECRET OF AMERICA'S FUTURE? THAT THIS MYSTERY IS BEHIND EVERYTHING FROM 9/11 TO THE COLLAPSE OF THE GLOBAL ECONOMY? THAT GOD IS NOW SENDING A PROPHETIC MESSAGE ON WHICH AMERICA'S FUTURE HANGS?"
Quite clearly this is but a book of fiction. It's all supposition. An idea; a notion; a suspicion; conjecture; speculation.
Gotta go. There's another Book Burning scheduled for 10 AM this morning.