The Heart Of The Gospel

[KenH]

The fact is, it's not a matter of intelligence to read and believe the word of God

Amen! It is a matter of the free grace and sovereignty of Almighty God:

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.

Acts 13:14 Whose heart the Lord opened.

Acts 13:48 As many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

 

[JonC]

The gospel of Christ is inclusive of "justification" and of "imputation of the Christ's perfect righteousness" and of "the basis of justification", and of "the scope of Christ's work", and of "Christ's atonement". Without these items, then one is proclaiming a false Jesus and a false gospel. To proclaim a false Jesus and a false gospel was condemned quite vehemently by the apostle Paul:

Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

No, the gospel is not inclusive of those things as one can be saved apart from understanding justification, sanctification, etc, but they cannot be saved without understanding the gospel of Jesus Christ.

You are conflating information about the gospel, and things that are accomplished through the work of Christ, with the gospel itself.

 

[Silverhair]

In fact, He also makes it a point to tell us that He did not save most of those who we as men would think He would or should...
The rich, the powerful, etc.;
Those who have everything in this world, those who are wise in the ways of this world, those who seek Him by way of what seems right to us as men:

You are correct. God saves those that have freely trusted in His risen son.

His way destroys the wisdom ( of their own hearts and minds ) of the "wise", and imposes His own wisdom and righteousness on the situation.
He saves according to His mercy alone, and not any work of righteouness.

The error of the wisdom of the men who promote false views has been pointed out many times on this and other boards but some still call faith a work.

 

[KenH]

they cannot be saved without understanding the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit gives God's elect, those whom the Holy Spirit regenerates and then gives to them the gift of faith in the Lord their RIGHTEOUSNESS and the gift of repentance of dead works, the knowledge of the gospel of Christ - how God justifies sinners, how their sins were imputed to Christ and He paid the sin debt that they owed, how Christ's perfect righteousness that He worked out was imputed to them, and the scope of Christ's totally successful propitiation for those whom God chose before the world began and gave to His Son to be their Surety. Thus, God's elect know the true gospel and the true Christ, and that they have not succumbed to a false gospel and a false Christ.

 

[JonC]

The Holy Spirit gives God's elect, those whom the Holy Spirit regenerates and then gives to them the gift of faith in the Lord their RIGHTEOUSNESS and the gift of repentance of dead works, the knowledge of the gospel of Christ - how God justifies sinners, how their sins were imputed to Christ and He paid the sin debt that they owed, how Christ's perfect righteousness that He worked out was imputed to them, and the scope of Christ's totally successful propitiation for those whom God chose before the world began and gave to His Son to be their Surety. Thus, God's elect know the true gospel and the true Christ, and that they have not succumbed to a false gospel and a false Christ.

I know the theory (I once held it as well).

My point is that the gospel is not things about the gospel, things accompanying salvation, theories concerning the mind 9f the Father, or ideas about the state of man.

 

[kyredneck]

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? Luke 18:18

It's recorded that Christ was asked this question twice and gave the same answer both times.

And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 18:24

That is 'the kingdom' in this time realm, not heaven above.

And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?

'Saved' here is synonymous with entering 'the kingdom', i.e., the Sabbath rest of God, here, now, in this time realm.

Was The Rich Young Ruler Lost Eternally?

Every one on here is familiar with this story and if others want to post the same story from Matthew and Mark by all means do so... This young ruler in his life set a high standard and I can truly say that I admire him because he said he kept the law of Moses from his youth up and how many of us...

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[kyredneck]

The rich young ruler

There are five INDIVIDUALS noted in the scriptures that Christ 'loved', and RYR was one of them.

 

[kyredneck]

I don't have an issue with that. I was right. You think you're smarter and/or wiser than those that don't get 'saved'. Never mind what the scripture actually says about it.

Pray tell, what does the bible say about it KY.

1st Corinthians Chapter 1

30​	But of him are ye in Christ Jesus

@Silverhair: It is of me that I am in Christ Jesus

 

[kyredneck]

Pray tell, what does the bible say about it KY.

2nd Corinthians Chapter 4

6​	Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

@Silverhair: Nope. Figured it out on my own.

 

[Silverhair]

1st Corinthians Chapter 1

30​	But of him are ye in Christ Jesus

@Silverhair: It is of me that I am in Christ Jesus

@kyredneck I was saved B4 time B4 I even believed.

The C/R view has taught a false means of salvation from the start.

The bible is clear but it seems you just will not accept what the bible says as it disagrees with your false understanding of the word of God..

Only God saves but He only saves those that have freely trusted in Him.

 

[kyredneck]

@Ben1445, @Silverhair, the underlying question in my previous posts to you is 'why do some believe, and others do not'?

2nd Corinthians Chapter 4

4​	in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.

6​	Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

It seems you two have no inclination to give credit to where credit is due.

 

[Silverhair]

2nd Corinthians Chapter 4

6​	Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

@Silverhair: Nope. Figured it out on my own.

Well at least I have the ability to reason which it seems you gladly say you do not.

It always surprises me how hard those of the C/R view will work to prove that they are just unthinking robots.

 

[kyredneck]

I have the ability to reason

1st Corinthians Chapter

30​	But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:
31​	that, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

You and @Ben1445 have given not one smidgen of credit to God for getting 'saved'
.

 

[Silverhair]

1st Corinthians Chapter

30​	But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:
31​	that, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

You and @Ben1445 have given not one smidgen of credit to God for getting 'saved'
.

And you KY keep showing that you do not read the posts.

Only God saves but He only saves those that have freely trusted in Him.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I know I have posted these verses more than once for you to read but it seems you do not understand what they say.

You are so locked into your false understanding of scripture that the truth blows right by you.

 

[kyredneck]

Matthew Chapter 16

16​	And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17​	And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

@Silverhair, @Ben1445: We're different, we figure it out on our own. Don't need to have it revealed to us.

 

[Silverhair]

Matthew Chapter 16

16​	And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17​	And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

@Silverhair, @Ben1445: We're different, we figure it out on our own. Don't need to have it revealed to us.

You just will not accept what the word of God says will you KY.

As is the norm for those of the C/R view you have pulled an out of context verse in the attempt to support you non-biblical view.

Since it requires a free will to be able make choices and you deny free will then it would logically follow that all your responses have been predetermined for you.

But since the word of God clearly shows that man is expected to make real choices it also logically follows that the one you are following must not be the God of the bible as He does not contradict Himself.

 

[percho]

It's recorded that Christ was asked this question twice and gave the same answer both times.



That is 'the kingdom' in this time realm, not heaven above.



'Saved' here is synonymous with entering 'the kingdom', i.e., the Sabbath rest of God, here, now, in this time realm.

Was The Rich Young Ruler Lost Eternally?

Every one on here is familiar with this story and if others want to post the same story from Matthew and Mark by all means do so... This young ruler in his life set a high standard and I can truly say that I admire him because he said he kept the law of Moses from his youth up and how many of us...

www.baptistboard.com

Is it not also synonymous whit inheriting eternal life? In 1 Cor 15:50 is not inheriting the kingdom synonymous with inheriting eternal life, incorruption?

If you enter the Sabbath rest of God presently upon entering the kingdom of God why does there remain a Sabbath rest for the people of God ie Heb 4:9?

 

[KenH]

My point is that the gospel is not things about the gospel

Your statement is in conflict with the apostle John. The apostle John wrote that correct doctrine about the gospel is ultimately very important for salvation.

2 John 1:10-11
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


Your statement is in conflict with the apostle Paul. The apostle Paul wrote that the righteousness of God's elect, chosen by Him before the world began and given to His Son to be their Surety, is based 100% on Christ's perfect righteousness imputed to them and 0% on fallen man's efforts.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 4:6-8
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


Your statement is in conflict with the apostle Paul. The apostle Paul wrote that one must believe the true gospel of the grace of Christ about the finished work of Christ Jesus on behalf of God's elect and that glorifies God, and not a false gospel that glorifies fallen man.

Galatians 1:6-9
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


Your statement is in conflict with the apostle Paul. The apostle Paul wrote that one must believe in the true Jesus, the one who paid the sin debt for all of God's elect, given to Him before the world began to be their Surety, and that one should not believe in a false Jesus of fallen man's vain imagination.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

 

[JonC]

Your statement is in conflict with the apostle John. The apostle John wrote that correct doctrine about the gospel is ultimately very important for salvation.

2 John 1:10-11
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


Your statement is in conflict with the apostle Paul. The apostle Paul wrote that the righteousness of God's elect, chosen by Him before the world began and given to His Son to be their Surety, is based 100% on Christ's perfect righteousness imputed to them and 0% on fallen man's efforts.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 4:6-8
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


Your statement is in conflict with the apostle Paul. The apostle Paul wrote that one must believe the true gospel of the grace of Christ about the finished work of Christ Jesus on behalf of God's elect and that glorifies God, and not a false gospel that glorifies fallen man.

Galatians 1:6-9
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


Your statement is in conflict with the apostle Paul. The apostle Paul wrote that one must believe in the true Jesus, the one who paid the sin debt for all of God's elect, given to Him before the world began to be their Surety, and that one should not believe in a false Jesus of fallen man's vain imagination.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

No, my statement does not conflict with any passage of Scripture.

I am saying that there is the gosoel of Jesus Christ and then there are truths about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Questiin - What does Scripture say one must belueve in order to be saved?
Answer - "the gospel of Jesus Christ".

You say this means in order to be saved one must believe (at least):

1. Your interpretation of Justification.
2. Your interpretation of imputation.
3. Your interpretation of sanctification.

I say that is foolishly adding to the gospel.

Your interpretation may be correct, but it is not required to be believed in order to be saved.

Those doctrines are important, but they are about the gospel and the transformation of the believer.

Simply making false claims about me and posting verses I have never disagreed with is merely an attempt to puff up your argument, but in the end it is only hot air provided to conceal your error.



If anything, you are beguiling people by demanding a specific understanding of justification, imputation, and sanctification in order to be saved.

 

[Ben1445]

1st Corinthians Chapter

30​	But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:
31​	that, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

You and @Ben1445 have given not one smidgen of credit to God for getting 'saved'
.

That is not true. You should take the cotton out of your ears.