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Zaac

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You do not like the government requiring education??

I don't like the government telling me that I HAVE to do anything.

Where would this nation be without the government requiring education??

Again, the GOP seems to be really fickle about this government intervention thing. Take personal responsibility for educating your own kids. It's not the government's responsibility.
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Christians do not tell women what to do. We want them educated so they can make a godly decision about themselves.

Then love on them and sit them down and tell them that instead of trying to force them to by some government mandate.

I do not know why you would be against that
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Then you're not as conservative as you pretend to be.:)

Just inform them what an abortion is and what God says about abortion. Why do you oppose such?

Stop playing games. It old you already I oppose the REQUIREMENT.
 

steaver

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Leadership speeches aren't gonna change anybody's life.

Tell that to all the folks that had their communities burned to the ground because of Obama's stirring the pot by siding with the thugs.
 

steaver

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Man white folks need to stop with that foolishness. That man hasn't caused any division between poor black communities and law enforcement. Law enforcement murdering unarmed black men did that all by themselves.

Amazing that he can say a kid could have been his son and white folks rage that he's causing a racial split. But the same folks don't think police officers murdering unarmed black men has anything to do with the schism.

Stop regurgitating what you hear on Fox News. Guess yall think the more you repeat that lie the more folks are gonna think it truthful.

If you have been paying attention to ALL the news outlets, many black folk speak out and say the same thing against Obama and the black lives matter racist.
 

Zaac

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Tell that to all the folks that had their communities burned to the ground because of Obama's stirring the pot by siding with the thugs.

With what thugs did he side? When has he said it's okay for folks to burn down neighborhoods or to loot anything?

You like most angry white GOP men in America just need someone to blame for what white privilege has caused, and Obama is the easy target.
 

Zaac

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If you have been paying attention to ALL the news outlets, many black folk speak out and say the same thing against Obama and the black lives matter racist.

If you have been paying attention to all the news outlets, and if you know your history, you'll recognize that the majority of Blacks don't feel that way.

What you're talking about is just another example of what Malcolm X said some 50+ years ago.

If Martin Luther King, Roy Wilkins or any of these compromising Negros who say exactly what the white man wants to hear is interviewed anywhere in the country you don't get anybody to offset what they say. But whenever a black man stands up and says something that white people don't like then the first thing that man does is run around to try and find somebody to say something to offset what has just been said. This is natural but it is done.

---Malcolm X

So please don't talk to me like that one or two folks that the GOP has found means anything.:rolleyes:
 

steaver

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With what thugs did he side? When has he said it's okay for folks to burn down neighborhoods or to loot anything?

You like most angry white GOP men in America just need someone to blame for what white privilege has caused, and Obama is the easy target.
It began with him siding with Trevon Martin who was proven to be the thug in the situation. Then we have "hands up don't shoot" which never happened and Obama condemned the police with his rhetoric inflaming the crowds ignorant of the truth. Just to name two.

There you go again with the "angry white men". Try watching ALL the news programs and see the "angry black men" who are siding with your "angry white men" on this. You can keep touting it is "angry white men" but the facts are not on your side. It's just making you look uninformed brother.
 

steaver

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If you have been paying attention to all the news outlets, and if you know your history, you'll recognize that the majority of Blacks don't feel that way.

I will not blame the majority of blacks for being lied to over the past 60 years. They have been fed lies for decades and I understand how hard it would be for them to change but hopefully the black folks who discover the truth will go into their communities and educate the majority.
 

steaver

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Nope. My answer is that you talked about everything but Jesus as your solution to changing folks life.
Go back in our conversation brother. The question was what could OBAMA have done? Now why would I suggest a non Christian give the people Jesus? That is impossible. We are talking about Obama. That would be great, but that wasn't a possibility with the question of Obama.
 

Zaac

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It began with him siding with Trevon Martin who was proven to be the thug in the situation.

How did he side with Trayvon Martin? He said if he had a son, he would probably look like Trayvon. What's wrong with that?

And Trayvon Martin could have been the biggest thug in the world. But just like the unarmed black men murdered by police officers, he deserved due process. And that was denied by a vigilante behavior of a man who has post-shown repeatedly that he needs to be somewhere jailed.

Then we have "hands up don't shoot" which never happened and Obama condemned the police with his rhetoric inflaming the crowds ignorant of the truth. Just to name two.

What does hands up don't shoot have to do with Obama? Did he say that? And when you've got a series of police murders of unarmed black folks, he should have condemned the police.

There you go again with the "angry white men".

If you can blame stuff on Obama, I can point the finger at angry white men.

Try watching ALL the news programs and see the "angry black men" who are siding with your "angry white men" on this.

Try reading the Malcolm X quote and it'll explain why the 99% of black folks who aren't in agreement with the one or two black folks that Fox News can get on their tab don't mean a hill of beans.

It's like you think the 1% that DT is polling with black folks means that the 99% of Blacks who reject him are just wrong.:Biggrin

You can keep touting it is "angry white men" but the facts are not on your side. It's just making you look uninformed brother.

And you can keep denying it, But the facts aren't on your side.
 

Zaac

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I will not blame the majority of blacks for being lied to over the past 60 years. They have been fed lies for decades and I understand how hard it would be for them to change but hopefully the black folks who discover the truth will go into their communities and educate the majority.

They may have been fed lies by the Democrats. But black folks are smart enough to recognize that the GOP is where all of the white nationalists and supremacists now hangout. They recognize that the things being said loudly by Trump today are the same dog whistles Lee Atwater was sounding decades ago.

So try as you might to pit the Democrats against Blacks, they still recognize that the democrats are still at least attempting to include them and to work with them, whereas the GOP in general has made it clear that they don't give a hoot about Black Lives. They've been WELL educated on that.
 

Zaac

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Go back in our conversation brother. The question was what could OBAMA have done? Now why would I suggest a non Christian give the people Jesus?


And this puts us right back at wrong Christian thinking because just like with most of the GOP, you think a man can change what's wrong with folks. That is impossible.

We are talking about Obama. That would be great, but that wasn't a possibility with the question of Obama.

It wouldn't be possible from a lot of folks who call themselves evangelicals either.
 

steaver

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How did he side with Trayvon Martin? He said if he had a son, he would probably look like Trayvon. What's wrong with that?

And Trayvon Martin could have been the biggest thug in the world. But just like the unarmed black men murdered by police officers, he deserved due process. And that was denied by a vigilante behavior of a man who has post-shown repeatedly that he needs to be somewhere jailed.

What does hands up don't shoot have to do with Obama? Did he say that? And when you've got a series of police murders of unarmed black folks, he should have condemned the police.

If you believe what you wrote, then me repeating the known facts of these situations is not going to persuade you one bit. There is no way you could have followed these stories with an open mind and settled on the conclusions you have reached unless you dismissed all the evidence in favor of a false premise no matter what the facts reveal.
 

steaver

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And this puts us right back at wrong Christian thinking because just like with most of the GOP, you think a man can change what's wrong with folks. That is impossible..

YOU asked what Obama could have done brother. In your reply you are declaring Obama or any other non Christian politician could not do anything to help the poor and needy, ONLY a Christian can. Are you saying God only uses Christians to help the poor and needy?
 

Zaac

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If you believe what you wrote, then me repeating the known facts of these situations is not going to persuade you one bit.

Oh so the facts show that Obama said something else about Trayvon Martin? What the facts really show is that you know so little about the truth of what he said about Trayvon Martin that you don't even know how to spell the kid's name.:Cautious


There is no way you could have followed these stories with an open mind and settled on the conclusions you have reached unless you dismissed all the evidence in favor of a false premise no matter what the facts reveal.

Sure there is a way. It's called the Holy Spirit. I love people and cringe when anyone's life is taken. What you have done is what angry white men all over the country have done and that is done away with your humanity where Blacks are concerned.
 

Zaac

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YOU asked what Obama could have done brother. In your reply you are declaring Obama or any other non Christian politician could not do anything to help the poor and needy, ONLY a Christian can.

I declared in response to your belief that some leadership speeches would change lives, that you should have opted with Jesus.

Are you saying God only uses Christians to help the poor and needy?

Is that what you read?:)
 

steaver

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Oh so the facts show that Obama said something else about Trayvon Martin? What the facts really show is that you know so little about the truth of what he said about Trayvon Martin that you don't even know how to spell the kid's name.:Cautious
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Well I'm glad you were smart enough to figure out who I was talking about. There is hope yet! But then you think using a different spelling of a name shows little facts about a case, so maybe not so much.
 

steaver

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Sure there is a way. It's called the Holy Spirit. I love people and cringe when anyone's life is taken. What you have done is what angry white men all over the country have done and that is done away with your humanity where Blacks are concerned.

Yeah, I'm feeling that love of yours!
 

Zaac

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Well I'm glad you were smart enough to figure out who I was talking about. There is hope yet! But then you think using a different spelling of a name shows little facts about a case, so maybe not so much.


What it shows is that you're reiterating what you've heard folks say and assuming it to be truthful because that's what you want to be the truth. But that you really didn't care enough about the lost life to even find out how to spell the child's name correctly.

So yes I think that says A LOT about you and reinforces what Blacks say about folks marginalizing their lives.

Yet angry white men still wonder why those kids are saying Black Lives Matter?
 

steaver

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I declared in response to your belief that some leadership speeches would change lives, that you should have opted with Jesus.

Non Christians do not give the gospel brother, it ain't going to happen. So either you suggest they say something to help or they say nothing at all. Obama is proof that speech changes lives, just look at the burnt out communities. Look at cult leaders (no Obama is not a cult leader) speech does change lives.
 
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