Sounds like you have understood nothing I said.
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The Heresy of Cessaitionism
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Sounds like you have understood nothing I said.
The video is long because it thoroughly refutes each cessationist argument in great detail. I consider it the most competent biblical and theological video I've ever seen on the internet.
And that's why I posted my challenge to test and expose your closed-mindedness.
“You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.”
The Light is Jesus.
Let your Jesus shine before men.
Your good deeds are Jesus deeds not human works.
Let Jesus Presence in you shine out into the world.
Many believers are covering the Light with self.
Self is the enemy of the Light. Self is the ever needy receptacle that takes for its own.
Do not be afraid of losing self, because that is where you will find Jesus.
There is a great difference between us operating and Jesus operating. Let go of your control and let Jesus control and do.
Deny self to kill it, not merely wound it. Wounded self is more dangerous than if self was left unperturbed, only engage self with utmost commitment.
The Light is Jesus.
Let your Jesus shine before men.
Your good deeds are Jesus deeds not human works.
Let Jesus Presence in you shine out into the world.
Many believers are covering the Light with self.
Self is the enemy of the Light. Self is the ever needy receptacle that takes for its own.
Do not be afraid of losing self, because that is where you will find Jesus.
There is a great difference between us operating and Jesus operating. Let go of your control and let Jesus control and do.
Deny self to kill it, not merely wound it. Wounded self is more dangerous than if self was left unperturbed, only engage self with utmost commitment.
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Rubbish is the counterfeit words falsely claiming to be the word of God. That being of the Devil. The denial of the 66 books being the Bible and the sole final authority of the faith and practice.
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NOT closed minded, its just that we affirm the 66 books of inspired canon as sole authority and not add in "mother church" and false teachers, false prophets, and fasle apostles
Do you equate signs and wonders as a necessary aspect of the "true Gospel?"
This is a discussion forum. We are supposed to discuss and debate thins, not fire off videos at each other. I rather fancy that you yourself do not understand the video, because you seem unable to describe its contents.
In posts #7 and #17, I have made some points with which you have not yet engaged. Rather than simply say that the video refutes me, let's see what you actually understand of it. I could post a video supporting Cessationism and say that it refutes your video, but what would that prove?
As pioneer Text Critic B. F. Westcott famously said, "The simple Gospel is not so simple as the simple would have you suppose."
The OP's video is a rigorously thorough refutation of cassationism on biblical, historical, and theological grounds.
But its task takes time, time Baptists are slothfully unwilling to devote to the the quest for sound doctrine.
When I discuss cessationism on other Christian sites, I will note how Baptists freeze like Bambi in the headlights when confronted with a meticulouos masterful refutation of their cessationism.
Note, the word salad.
The term "Prophet" is a little tricky. It it is used to say a human speaks for God, as an inspired author, then that "gift" has ceased, but if the term is used to refer to someone who accurately conveys God's word, such as a teacher or witness, then yes, people are still receiving that "gift."
But I agree, we have no "eyewitnesses" of the risen Christ, thus we have evangelists and teachers, not Apostles with a capital A.
List each of the 5 points.
Well why don't you discuss cessationism on this site and see who freezes here instead of telling us how wonderful this video is?
Cessaitionism is an interesting subject that can often benefit from a definition of terms. If we consider the miraculous in the early church we might consider the signs of an Apostle, gifts to be used in the body of Christ, and answers to prayers. Miraculous signs that were done on demand seem no longer to be demonstrable. That these were not to be consistently demonstrated until the kingdom was established might be inferred from;
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
However, I do not see this as limiting what God may choose to do today in answer to prayer.
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
However, I do not see this as limiting what God may choose to do today in answer to prayer.
Good Grief Martin, I said the Sign and Wonder Gifts has ceased. And I specifically addressed more than two.
However, comma, Cessationism as I understand the term, says the Signs and Wonders Gifts have ceased, which refers to humans not God, and says humans do not speak in unknown to them foreign languages or bring people back to life, like Peter and Paul.
I addressed that the gift of inspired authorship of God's word has ceased.
1) Healing
2) Adding to God's Word
3) Speaking in another language, unknown to the speaker.
See 2 Corinthians 12:12
Do you hold then that the "real true Gospel" must include to have sighns and wonders? That we are getting additional revelations today from modern day "prophets and apostles?"
The bible itself plainly states to us the office of the OT Prophet and NT Apostles have ceased, and that there were to be none sent to the church after John passed away
We do not say God ceasing from His activities, as he indeed cn step in and do healings and miracles when He chooses to, but there are not given sign gifts as Apostles were, and no modern day apostles and prophets running around