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The Historic Baptist View of the Nicene Creed
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David Lamb
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I affirm it, with the proviso that "catholic" in the creed means "universal", not "Roman Catholic".
I see the Nicene Creed helpful to a certain extent, but not "authoritative" as THE summary of the church. It is certainly NOT infallible and should never be used in place of actual Scripture.
We ministered in the strong Latter Day Saints Wyoming/Utah area (who deny much of the Nicene Creed) so it WAS beneficial to distinguish ANY trinitarian group from that or Jehovah's Witness cults
We ministered in the strong Latter Day Saints Wyoming/Utah area (who deny much of the Nicene Creed) so it WAS beneficial to distinguish ANY trinitarian group from that or Jehovah's Witness cults
Psalm 2:7. 'I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, "You are My Son, today I have begotten You."'
The decree of God went forth in eternity. Christ is eternally begotten of the Father. Therefore it is not wrong to say that He has always been the Son of God.
The Nicene Creed is right as far as it goes.
37818
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Not even true.
Acts of the Apostles 13:33, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Psalm 2:7 is a prophecy of the Son of God's bodily resurrection.
Colossians 1:18, . . . who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; . . .
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With respect, I don't think you have quite thought this through.
Romans 1:4. 'And declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by His resurrection from the dead.' Our Lord did not become the Son of God by His resurrection - He had always been that - but He was declared or shown to be so by rising from the dead. Colossians 1:8 is saying two things: Christ is the beginning of our salvation (Titus 1:2) being eternally begotten, and He is indeed the firstborn from the dead
37818
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YHWH is eternally begotten? That is not true. It is you who has not thought this through.
The Son of God has always been YHWH and the Son..
And in His incarnation, Romans 1:3-4, . . . Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: . . .
Question: Do you affirm the Nicene Creed?
Answer: No
Basis:
1) God the Father did not make or create God the Son, He revealed or set Him forth.
2) I do not believe in one "water" baptism for the forgiveness of sins. I do believe in one "spiritual baptism into Christ" for the forgiveness of sins.
Answer: No
Basis:
1) God the Father did not make or create God the Son, He revealed or set Him forth.
2) I do not believe in one "water" baptism for the forgiveness of sins. I do believe in one "spiritual baptism into Christ" for the forgiveness of sins.
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This raises two questions:
If the Son is not eternally begotten, in what sense is He a Son?
Can YHWH die?
Here we do not disagree, save that I think you do not quite understand the term "eternally."
These matters a a great mystery and, in a sense, we should remove our shoes for we are treading on holy ground. But I would ally myself with the authors of the Chalcedonian Definition (save that I tend to cringe at Mary being called "The birth-giver of God"), the Reformers, the Puritans and, yes, the early Baptists. Proverbs 22:28. 'Do not remove the ancient landmark which your fathers have set.' Or at least, think very hard before you do so.
37818
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He was always the Son of God. There was never any becoming the Son. John 1:1-2.
Can YHWH die? Was YHWH begotten to be YHWH? No.
The term begotten was used in Psalm 2:7, . . . Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
He was already the Son. And on a day was begotten. And per Acts of the Apostles 13:33 referred to His resurrection.
37818
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Oh, I understand that concept of "eternally begotten." It is simply not Biblical in any way.
You are spiritualizing Proverbs 22:28 to justify what I understand to be an unBiblical error.
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37818
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@Martin Marprelate,
I do not know if you actually understand my Biblical view of Psalm 2:7.
Or understand my view of eternal Sonship and the Trinity of district Persons being the same God YHWH.
I do not know if you actually understand my Biblical view of Psalm 2:7.
Or understand my view of eternal Sonship and the Trinity of district Persons being the same God YHWH.
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I don't know either. I can only reply to what you write, not to what you are thinking.
37818
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I did write in this thread about Psalm 2:7 in Acts of the Apostles 13:33 giving it's meaning.
I agree with that. It is what I mean by 'eternally begotten.' But if He was not begotten in some way, then in what way is He the Son?
The Lord Jesus is YHWH; He died. So I ask you again, can YHWH die? See Acts of the Apostles 20:28.
Well, we shall have to agree to disagree.
Psalms 2:7 begins, 'I will declare the decree' or possibly, 'I will declare the decree of the LORD.' The decrees of God date from eternity. There is no point in repeating what has already been written.And I have replied to all that. See my post #9.