The history of how Sunday worship came about.

[Martin Marprelate]

The early believers kept Saturday as the Sabbath until March 7, 321 AD

Er, no.
'And on the day that is called the Sun's Day there is an assembly of all who live in the towns or the country......'
Justin Martyr, Apologia 1, LXVII, circa 150 AD.
And before that, of course, there was Acts 20:7.

 

[Walter]

Er, no.
'And on the day that is called the Sun's Day there is an assembly of all who live in the towns or the country......'
Justin Martyr, Apologia 1, LXVII, circa 150 AD.
And before that, of course, there was Acts 20:7.

He is searching the internet now for some 'cut & paste' response-which he will not be able to find without some Loma Linda University prof. spin. I suspect that he will ignore any historical evidence 'not found in scripture'. That's how he rolls!

 

[pythons]

Hobbie,

both your premise and conjectures are laughable from a historical perspective. Scripture teaches that Christians assembled themselves on the 1st day of the week. What you're pushing here is a low level form of gnosticism and fantasy.

 

[Alofa Atu]

both your premise and conjectures are laughable from a historical perspective. Scripture teaches that Christians assembled themselves on the 1st day of the week.

Christians gathered on every day of the week, when possible, as did the Jews.

Act_2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act_2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Act_5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Act_6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

Act_16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.

Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Act_19:9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
​

Paul even preached daily:

Act_17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.​

The first day of the week was no more special than any other of the six working days. Yet the sabbath, the 7th day, the Lord's day was always special, always gathered on and therein rested.

The body of believers may gather on any and every day with no injunction anywhere found in scripture against such, and in truth they met "daily", "continually", etc (Mat 26:55; Mar 14:49; Luk 22:53, 24:33,36; Acts 19:9) and likewise among the followers of Jesus Christ (Luk 24:51,53; Acts 1:3,9, 2:46-47, 5:42, 6:1, 16:5, 17:11,17; Heb 3:13, etc).

None of that extra gathering, is qualification of disobedience to (breaking) the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17), especially the 4th (Exodus 20:8-11) in its explicit command to "rest" and not "work" "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD".

Just in the book of Acts alone, there are over 78 sabbaths explicitly recorded.

Acts 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4, (20:6, 21:4, 28:14; Paul always waited seven days, so that he could keep the Sabbath with fellow Jews, and Proselytes (see Acts 2:10; 13:26,42-43,44,45-46,47-49, 14:1,2,15-16, 15:17,19,21, 17:17) and preach the gospel upon that sacred day (Acts 17:2), just as Jesus had; Luke 4:16-21).

John was still keeping the sabbath (of the LORD, the 7th day, "the Lord's day"; Revelation 1:10; Isaiah 58:13; just as Jesus had said so long before; Matthew 24:20) in AD 90+.

The references to "the first [day] of the week" are as follows:

Genesis 1:5 (Masoretes Hebrew) יום אחד׃ (Transliterated) yôm echäd f

Matthew 28:1(a) - (Koine Greek) οψε δε σαββατων (Transliterated) oye de sabbatwn
Matthew 28:1(b) - (Koine Greek) εις μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) eiV mian sabbatwn
Mark 16:2 - (Koine Greek) και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων (Transliterated) kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
Mark 16:9 - (Koine Greek) αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου (Transliterated) anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
Luke 24:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn

(Matthew 28:1 (a,b); Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1 all refer to the same day, the 'first [day] of the week' just after Jesus arose from the tomb. This in effect makes it a single reference, just repeated about the one time (not weekly) yearly event as seen in Leviticus 23, Feast of Firstfruits. Yet even so, in the koine Greek every single 'first [day] of the week' text clearly shows that the first day is simply a number, with no special association or designation, other than it is simply one day toward the culmination of the week, being the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God]:

Acts 20:7 - (Koine Greek) εν δε τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) en de th mia twn sabbatwn

(Acts 20:7, is a final farewell visit by Paul, who was going around "confirming the churches", and always preached on Sabbath (Acts 16:8,11, 20:5,6; 2 Corinthians 2:12; 2 Timothy 4:13), and in this instance, after Sabbath was complete, they met again and continued in fellowship and preaching, and had a final farewell. There is no evidence of a 'Lord's supper' here (no footwashing, basin, towel, fruit of the vine, cup, etc)). This special gathering, was held at night from after about 6pm to midnight, until morning (sunrise), to see Paul off. There is no repetition (cycle from week to week) of this event occurring in scripture, nor any weekly meeting established on the first [day] of the week here.

1 Corinthians 16:2 - (Koine Greek) κατα μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) kata mian sabbatwn

(1 Corinthians 16:2 is a unique passage which refers to an extra or special and personally/individually gathered collection taken up privately (not even regular offering, nor tithe/firstfruits, nor even at a church or synagogue (but at one's own individual home), for the specific poor in a specific place, Jerusalem, for the dearth/famine; Acts 11:28; 1 Corinthians 16:3 that had been prophesied) after the sabbath was over, for Paul to pick up later when he came by.) There is no evidence of any 'service', 'Lord's supper' (and all that goes with it), gathering of the body of believers, scripture reading, prayer, etc here. It's all a private individual matter.

Acts 2:1, referring to Pentecost, which if calculated would fall upon "the first [day] of the week", based upon the yearly (not weekly, or monthly) festal calendar found in Leviticus 23. This event was then completely fulfilled as it states in Acts 2:16-21,33; Revelation 5:6; Psalms 133:1-3; &c. Even afterwards in Acts 2, it says that the disciples met "daily", in the "Temple", and even from "house to house" (vss 46-47).

These (following) references are to the second day of the week (John 20:1; context of Luke 24:13-36, already dark by the time of the upper room, which is another reason they did not recognize Jesus entering with the two other disciples from Emmaus, for He had walked back with them, unseen, and entered unseen, even as Jesus had done so with the two while walking before they had reached their own house. There is no teleporting, or ghosting through walls here. Jesus has a real body of flesh and bones (immortal)) and later (John 20:19) effectively and respectively (contextually, John 20:1 being a reference to a period of time after the sun had set, and the next reference (John 20:19) to after eight days beyond that):

John 20:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:19 - (Koine Greek) τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th mia twn sabbatwn

 

[Alofa Atu]

Er, no.
'And on the day that is called the Sun's Day there is an assembly of all who live in the towns or the country......'
Justin Martyr, Apologia 1, LXVII, circa 150 AD. ,,,
.

Oh, the forged portion, Chapter 67, got it. It is "known only from the unreliable manuscript A (Parisinus graecus 450, of 1364 [that's 14th Cent.])" [1] [emphasis supplied, brackets added]

http://heidiheiks.com/pdf/Contributors Documents/William Shea/Justin_Martyr_forgery.pdf

 

[pythons]

Christians gathered on every day of the week, when possible, as did the Jews.

NOT as Christians - for Christian worship Alofa.

Christians were commanded by Apostolic Authority to assemble themselves together with the failure to do so being classified as a sin. Anti-Trinitarians take indecent liberties with history and Scripture to make their theology work and as night follows the day the its a given if someone believes Saturday to the exclusion of all other day HAS TO BE THE DAY one churches themselves you can take it to the bank they are anti-trinitarian.

If someone believes you can't eat certain things without violating God's law again you are most likely an anti-Trinitarian.

Lastly, if you believe in soul sleep you are most likely an Anti Trinitarian.

 

[Alofa Atu]

... Lastly, if you believe in soul sleep you are most likely an ...

See this thread already provided, starting here (if you desire to further comment on that subject start a new thread):

Martin Luther and William Tyndale on the State of the Dead.

Then continue to here, and keep reading:

Martin Luther and William Tyndale on the State of the Dead.

 

[Alofa Atu]

If someone believes you can't eat certain things without violating God's law again you are most likely an ...

Start here:

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Act 15:32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.​

It's quoting OT (Deut., Lev., etc) as foundation and continued practice (for the Christian believers, Jew and Gentile), as testified by the Holy Ghost.

Act_15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
​

Unclean and Clean still continues in the NT:

Rev_16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev_18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.​

All that which is to be eaten must first be ok'ed (set aside; sanctified, such as at Genesis 1) by God's word.

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.​

Judgment even for those in the end:

Isa_66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.​

Some people incorrectly think they can eat and drink whatever they want, they acting as or in God's stead:

Rom_16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

1Co_6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

Php_3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)​

Feel free to see the following:

https://archive.org/download/die-at-the-t/DIE at the T.pptx

DIE at the T

Please at least attempt to try to stick to the OP and subject.

 

[Alofa Atu]

NOT as Christians - for Christian worship

Please read:

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.​

The future, which simply continues from the now.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
​

Yes, real Christians, the 7th day, the sabbath, the Lord's day:

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Act_18:22 And when he had landed at Caesarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch.​

Paul and Barnabas, etc were Christians. They met on Sabbath and persuaded others Jews and Gentiles to become Christians, and they continued meeting on sabbath, even in Antioch, where they were first called "Christians", after "Christ Jesus" - 'the [definitive] Christ(ian)'. See Luke 4.

Other historical documents also show that Christians continued keeping the sabbath of the Lord.

I showed this here:

The history of how Sunday worship came about.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Anti-Trinitarians

I am Anti-Catholicism, for it is the system of Anti Christ (as scripture identifies).

I believe in the eternal Heavenly Trio [the Person/Being of the Father, the Person/Being of the Son, and the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit, who all work together in perfect harmony, like a symphony, or three individual notes that strummed together produce a 'chord'. Your own theology cannot stand the test of scripture. However, please feel free to start another thread, as that is not the OP of this one.

 

[Alofa Atu]

believes Saturday

"Saturday" is not technically "Sabbath". The two are technically differing measurements of time, or day. "Saturday" is technically 'Roman' time, calculated from midnight to midnight. "Sabbath of the Lord" is the 7th day of the week, from even unto even (sunset to sunset) as identified by scripture (KJB).

Even Rome understands this, when they hold a Mass (of which I used to attend so long ago now) on 'Saturday night' (after sunset), and it 'counts' towards the 'First [day] of the week's' Mass, though it is technically not "Sunday" then (beginning at midnight).

 

[Alofa Atu]

believes [sabbath of the Lord, the 7th day, the Lord's day] to the exclusion of all other day HAS TO BE THE DAY

[brackets added for clarification in quotation] You have me mistaken for God. I chose merely to follow (that is, 'Amen,'] God in His rest (Genesis 2:1-3; Hebrews 3-4, etc). Why do you refuse to follow Him in it?

 

[pythons]

Alofa, your just doing copy-N-paste apologetics with arguments that have been LONG ago dispatched - they only work on people who are ignorant as to the facts.

am Anti-Catholicism, for it is the system of Anti Christ (as scripture identifies).

I believe in the eternal Heavenly Trio [the Person/Being of the Father, the Person/Being of the Son, and the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit, who all work together in perfect harmony, like a symphony, or three individual notes that strummed together produce a 'chord'. Your own theology cannot stand the test of scripture. However, please feel free to start another thread, as that is not the OP of this one.

Just as I stated - YOU are an anti-Trinitarian who affirms the Father & Son are ONE no differently than Michael the archangel and the Disciples were ONE. What you're affirming isn't like the Mormon Teaching, it IS the Mormon teaching. I don't need to make a 5000 word post to demonstrate this either.

The point I'm making is that the early SDA's believed in a literal flesh hominid Father God with a rectum and all the members and parts of a perfect man - THAT belief is what SDA's used as a spring board to come up with the Sabbath, Sanctuary Doctrine and State of the Dead false teachings.

SEE:
The Sabbath God Vs. the Sunday God article in the Sabbath Herald March 7, 1854. For your edification I'm posting it so "The Baptists" can see what your foundation is.

Sabbath Herald: RH18540307-V05-07.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

SEE:
Sabbath Herald / Father God has a nose, finger, etc: RH18670625-V30-02.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

SEE
Sabbath Herald / Personality of God (Ellen White repudiates the Trinity Doctrine): RH18780829-V52-10.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

I could continue posting SDA teachings representative of the above but is that necessary with your admission and the articles above? You want to talk about the Sabbath, the State of Man after death & the Investigative Judgement that's fine, I'm happy to talk about these things with you. HOWEVER, I will be allowing your Denomination, in it's OWN WORDS to define the terms and state how it is that they came up with these things. So, do you accept the Father flesh God as the primary Doctrine that gave birth to the Sabbath and Sanctuary Doctrines or do you need to see more evidence?

 

[Walter]

I am Anti-Catholicism, for it is the system of Anti Christ (as scripture identifies).

I believe in the eternal Heavenly Trio [the Person/Being of the Father, the Person/Being of the Son, and the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit, who all work together in perfect harmony, like a symphony, or three individual notes that strummed together produce a 'chord'. Your own theology cannot stand the test of scripture. However, please feel free to start another thread, as that is not the OP of this one.

I am anti-abortion loving SDA. For their Adventist Hospitals and abortion mills continue to hack babies to death each and every day while trying to cover up their past pro-abortion Official Guidelines. Even some SDA Loma Linda profs(La Sierra campus) are pushing abortion these days. Come out of HER, Alofa Atu!

 

[Alofa Atu]

I am anti-abortion loving SDA. For their Adventist Hospitals and abortion mills continue to hack babies to death each and every day while trying to cover up their past pro-abortion Official Guidelines. Even some SDA Loma Linda profs(La Sierra campus) are pushing abortion these days. Come out of HER, Alofa Atu!

False equative even if they were doing what you are asserting (and you produced 0 evidence). Ad Hominem (attacking a person or system, and not the theology, facts presented to you). Red herring, going off topic (OP; again , even the moderation picked up on this). However, I have already addressed all your 'concerns' here - Roman Catholicism and the total abuse & murder of children (incl. abortion).

Feel free to peruse that information.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Alofa, your just doing copy-N-paste apologetics with arguments that have been LONG ago dispatched - they only work on people who are ignorant as to the facts.

Um, I took the time to write most of what I have shared here, and re-rewrite (for the present response) some of that which I already have provided elsewhere. I see Walter and yourself constantly repeating the same material over and over, nearly verbatim (I thank God that some of the other 'Catholics' have been banned in my sabbatical from this forum). I also thank God that Catholic Answers Forums have been terminated. I wanted that to happen a long time ago, and tried my best to help it toward that endeavour while trying to help bring some to salvation (Catholic or other). I had probably over 30 accounts (all banned at one time or another) there, but I couldn't say for sure, as I lost count there a long time ago. I did tell them just before they closed about all that.

Just as I stated - YOU are an anti-Trinitarian who affirms the Father & Son are ONE no differently than Michael the archangel and the Disciples were ONE.

That is what the Bible teaches in the plainest language:

Joh_17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.​

Thus as I said, I am Anti-Catholicism.

What you're affirming isn't like the Mormon Teaching, it IS the Mormon teaching. I don't need to make a 5000 word post to demonstrate this either.

Not quite. They have some aberrant material in this area. It is similar, but not the same, for they go to extremes (such as God literally fornicating (they didn't get married) with a human woman (technically in LDS language, his own daughter; and that God has a 'rectum' (which I have never once found in the Seventh-day Adventist material (please provide such evidence if you have it))).

The point I'm making is that the early SDA's believed in a literal flesh hominid Father God

Basically, Yes. Don't forget the Son also. Here is that evidence (again):

The Father is not a perfume, not an aethereal essence pervading the universe.

Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Luk_11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.​

He, the Father, is a "Person", even His person (Job 13:8; Hebrews 1:3), of which Jesus (the Son) is the "express image" of.

As for the rest, see "His person" (Job 13:8); "form of God" (Philippians 2:6), "shape" (John 5:37), "image" (Genesis 1:26,27; Hebrews 1:3), "likeness" (Genesis 1:26,27), "being" (Acts 17:28), has a very real movable "Throne" on which He sits (Daniel 7:9-10; Revelation 4-5, &c), has "the hair of his head like the pure wool" (Daniel 7:9), "whose garment was white as snow" (Daniel 7:9), has a "right hand" (Revelation 5:1; Acts 7:55-56), able to be looked upon, "to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone" (Revelation 4:2), having His own "nature" (Galatians 4:8).

See also "back parts" (Exodus 33:23), and even a "divine nature" (2 Peter 1:4), see also "under his feet" (Exodus 24:20).

The angels are also called 'spirits' and "persons" ("fellows"; Hebrews 1:9), "young man" (Mark 16:5; Daniel 9:21; &c), and yet have real celestial (Heavenly) "bodies" with unfallen angelic "flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:35-58; Jude 1:7, Genesis 17-19, &c) an unfallen heavenly "nature" (Hebrews 2:16), where as we have bodies terrestrial (dust).

The Son is also a "person" (Hebrews 1:3; 2 Corinthians 2:10; Matthew 27:24; Deuteronomy 27:25; &c).

So is the Holy Ghost (John 14:16; &c)

Mankind are also called 'spirits' (1 Peter 3:19; Hebrews 12:23) and yet are real tangible beings, with bodies (made of dust).

Philippians 2:6; Daniel 3:25; Genesis 18:4, 19:2; Exodus 24:10-11; Psalms 18:9; John 5:37; Exodus 33:23,20,22; Daniel 7:9-10,13; Ezekiel 1:1,8,26-28; Acts 7:55-56; Psalms 24:1-10; John 20:17; 1 Peter 3:22; Matthew 18:10; Revelation 1:13-20, 2:1, 4:1-11, 5:1-14; Hebrews 1:13; Colossians 1:3-6; Numbers 12:8; Isaiah 45:23, 48:3; Revelation 3:16; Psalms 89:34; Psalms 104:33, 146:2; Acts 17:28; Genesis 1:26-27; Colossians 1:15; &c.

See also the "Personality of God" by James White - Personality of God, Page 1 -- Ellen G. White Writings

 

[Alofa Atu]

with a rectum and all the members and parts of a perfect man

I have never found in all of the written material of the Seventh-day Adventists (from the SoP/ToJ, down to the articles of publications) that the Father has a 'rectum', or 'parts of a perfect man' (I assume you meant "Penis" and "Testicles", "Semen" factory, etc). The LDS teaching goes to extremes, while the Catholic doctrine goes to the other extreme (which is vaporizing God's "form", "shape", "likeness", "image", "parts", into gaseous non-entity, in other words, 'ethereality' or pure spiritualism, which teaching also vaporizes the Law of God, Heaven, the Reward of Just and Unjust, Lucifer, even us and this present existence).

That which generates from the Father does not come from a 'penis', etc. It comes from His literal and natural "mouth" (Isaiah 45:23), His spoken word (Psalms 33:6,9), which is what creates and brings life. The LDS theology is a gross aberration and distortion of that, since it is partially a 'sex-cult' (derived out of Freemasonry and Joseph Smith's own lusts).

Can you produce evidence from Seventh-day Adventist material to justify your claim that the LDS and Seventh-day Adventist theology is the same in the nature of God?

We also teach that the nature of the Holy Ghost is a mystery not recorded in scripture, and upon that issue "silence is golden".

THAT belief is what SDA's used as a spring board to come up with the Sabbath, Sanctuary Doctrine and State of the Dead false teachings.

Not at all. Scripture was always the foundation. Even sister White had not understood the state of the dead, until she was challenged by her mother, and had to go back to the scriptures for herself, and let go of her incorrect Methodist theology (borrowed from Roman Catholicism) in that area. The understanding of the sabbath came immediately after 1844 (it had already been introduced before).

SEE:
The Sabbath God Vs. the Sunday God article in the Sabbath Herald March 7, 1854. For your edification I'm posting it so "The Baptists" can see what your foundation is.

Sabbath Herald: RH18540307-V05-07.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

Thanks for sharing. I especially love the original article sourcing.

SEE:
Sabbath Herald / Father God has a nose, finger, etc: RH18670625-V30-02.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

He surely has a 'nose' (2 Samuel 22:16; Job 4:9' Psalms 18:15) and 'finger' (Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10, etc). Also see the material provided already.

SEE
Sabbath Herald / Personality of God (Ellen White repudiates the Trinity Doctrine): RH18780829-V52-10.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

Already addressed. DM Canright wrote that article.

Walter Martin & his assessment of SDA's

Walter Martin & his assessment of SDA's

Sister White actually wrote these:

Walter Martin & his assessment of SDA's

I could continue posting SDA teachings representative of the above but is that necessary with your admission and the articles above? You want to talk about the Sabbath, the State of Man after death & the Investigative Judgement that's fine, I'm happy to talk about these things with you.

I do not mind speaking on any of those subjects, and have with you in the past on several forums, under several names. Post what you will, but please stay on OP. Other subjects can be discussed in other threads at anytime.

HOWEVER, I will be allowing your Denomination, in it's OWN WORDS to define the terms and state how it is that they came up with these things.

That is fine, but please continue to original source the material as best as you are able. I will be checking every reference when we discuss this or other topics in other places.

So, do you accept the Father flesh God as the primary Doctrine that gave birth to the Sabbath and Sanctuary Doctrines or do you need to see more evidence?

You should perhaps consider the timing of the doctrines accepted and believed. God the Father indeed has "form", and a nature, that even the Son also shares, for the Father is the monon alethinon theon, the ton theon, and the Son is the monogenes, theos en o logos. The Son is in the "express image" of the Father. A chirality, as like unto the left hand is to right hand. Even DNA molecules, such as Amino acids, teaches these things. For all creation declares the glory of God.

 

[pythons]

I have never found in all of the written material of the Seventh-day Adventists (from the SoP/ToJ, down to the articles of publications) that the Father has a 'rectum', or 'parts of a perfect man' (I assume you meant "Penis" and "Testicles"

Here,
"Thus it is declared that God has all the members and parts of a perfect man. This is not said once, nor twice, but many times, not in parables and symbols, and figures, but directly and plainly". Review & Herald September 5, 1878 RH18780905-V52-11.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

This type of stuff saturates SDA periodicals during the time hack of Ellen White's life.

Can you produce evidence from Seventh-day Adventist material to justify your claim that the LDS and Seventh-day Adventist theology is the same in the nature of God?

Sure,

"If by "the doctrine of the Trinity" one means the New Testament teaching that there is a Father, a Son, and a Holy Ghost, all three of whom are fully divine, then Latter-day Saints believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. It is as simple as that. The Latter-day Saints' first article of faith, written by Joseph Smith in 1842, states, "We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost." (See Articles of Faith) Baptisms in the Church are performed "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" ....... "However, if by "the doctrine of the Trinity" one means the doctrine formulated by the councils of Nicaea and Chalcedon and elaborated upon by subsequent theologians and councils--that God is three coequal persons in one substance or essence--then Latter-day Saints do not believe it. They do not believe it, because it is not biblical." The Godhead (lightplanet.com)

The LDS affirm & teach that the Trio is Father, Son & Holy Spirit with EACH "BEING" having its own "PERSONAGE" so that The Father is a "BEING" with a hominid flesh body and the Son is a "BEING" with a flesh body. The three "BEINGS" (God's) are united in mind, purpose & character perfectly. LDS says God is ONE in this way - like a Military unit or "committee".

The Christian Trinity affirms that there is ONE BEING that is God and within this one substance are 3 Persons who are eternally, equally God. Therefore God CANNOT consist of parts or members.

SEE: WHY IS GOD SIMPLE? THE REASON FOR DIVINE SIMPLICITY - YouTube

This is specifically what the SDA's (including Ellen White) were opposed to - they taught that to deny Father God his flesh body was PANTHEISM. This is why all the SDA Pioneers (including Ellen) claimed that the Trinity Doctrine "DESTROYED THE PERSONALITY [body] OF GOD".

Already addressed. DM Canright wrote that article.

Canright wrote THAT article under the direction AND EDITING of Ellen White. See page 4 "COLORADO TENT" where its bluntly stated Ellen White assisted in REVISING that article so it read the way it did. RH18780822-V52-09.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

That is fine, but please continue to original source the material as best as you are able. I will be checking every reference when we discuss this or other topics in other places.

IF you've discussed theological matters with me previously you know I document my assertions so you shouldn't worry in the slightest that I'll produce.

So, I'll again ask if you accept that the flesh hominid Father God Doctrine (Personality of God Doctrine) espoused by the SDA's during the time Ellen White was alive was the foundation upon which the Sabbath and Sanctuary Doctrines of SDA were built AND that these doctrines RELIED on an explicit anti-Trinitarian Doctrine that was repeated many times in SDA publications. Do I have your agreement on this? I can always go through it slowly as we work our way through the Scriptures.[/quote]

 

[Alofa Atu]

"Thus it is declared that God has all the members and parts of a perfect man. This is not said once, nor twice, but many times, not in parables and symbols, and figures, but directly and plainly". Review & Herald September 5, 1878 RH18780905-V52-11.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

First of all, that's DM Canright. He also identifies the "members and parts" in that list, pgs 81 (bottom right column), 82 (upper left column). The "all" is contextual:

"... Thus, he is said to have a head, and hairs of his (81-82) head, Dan. 7:9; and hands, Ex. 33:22; feet, Ex. 24:10; loins [H4975; waist to upper thighs, see 1 Ki. 18:46, etc], Eze. 1:27; face, Matt. 18:10; heart, Gen. 6:6; parts, Ex. 22:32; a form, Phil. 2:6; shape, john 5:37; person, Heb. 1:3; soul, Jer. 5:9; and spirit, Matt. 12:28. Thus it is declared that God has all the members and parts of a perfect man. ..."​

Did you read anything about 'penis', 'testicles', 'semen'? I didn't. I have never read that anywhere. Now go back to the OP please. If you want to discuss this subject start a new thread and I'll be glad to join you there.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Canright wrote THAT article under the direction AND EDITING of Ellen White. See page 4 "COLORADO TENT" where its bluntly stated Ellen White assisted in REVISING that article so it read the way it did. RH18780822-V52-09.pdf (adventistarchives.org)

Already addressed. DM Canright wrote that article.

Walter Martin & his assessment of SDA's

Walter Martin & his assessment of SDA's

Sister White actually wrote these:

Walter Martin & his assessment of SDA's