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The Holman Christian Standard Version

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evangelist6589

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Bought the Apologetics Study Bible in the HCSB translation. A good study bible in apologetics with contributions from many great apologists like Ron Rhodes, Norm Geisler, Ravi Zacharias and many others. However it's very weak in the area of biblical studies at least compared to the Crossway ESV SB. Anyways what are your thoughts on this translation? It's not a revision but rather a new translation like the 1984 NIV.
 
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Is it fair to compare a study bible geared towards apologetics to a more general study bible?
 
Jerome

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The Holman Christian Standard Bible is soon to be obsolete; it's been around for nearly two decades.

Lifeway's new translation the Christian Standard Bible is replacing it, hence the clearance prices on the HCSB.
 
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evangelist6589 said:
Bought the Apologetics Study Bible in the HCSB translation. A good study bible in apologetics with contributions from many great apologists like Ron Rhodes, Norm Geisler, Ravi Zacharias and many others. However it's very weak in the area of biblical studies at least compared to the Crossway ESV SB. Anyways what are your thoughts on this translation? It's not a revision but rather a new translation like the 1984 NIV.
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The HCSB translation or the commentary?

The translation is OK. I don't see that it brought anything to the church (except maybe to Lifeway as they are self-funded and can use their own translation in their publications).

I don't like study bibles unless the notes are large enough to provide room for sticky notes. Except when the sermon is dull, and I'm not the one giving it. Then I can read through notes, and look at maps.
 
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Jerome said:
The Holman Christian Standard Bible is soon to be obsolete; it's been around for nearly two decades.

Lifeway's new translation the Christian Standard Bible is replacing it, hence the clearance prices on the HCSB.
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What a shame.
 
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When did any part of the Holman Christian Standard Bible become available? I saw on one site than the whole Bible was first available in 2004, but am guessing the New Testament, Psalms, and/or other portions would have been been available before this.
 
Jerome

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rlvaughn said:
When did any part of the Holman Christian Standard Bible become available?
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Baptist Press 2001 Holman Christian Standard Bible New Testament now available
selected Bible books from the Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) have been released in various forms since 1999
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Portions of the new translation were first released through such books as "The Christ We Knew," with commentary by Calvin Miller; and "Experiencing The Word Through The Gospels," featuring devotional notes by Blackaby.
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It amazes me that in less than two decades the Holman Christian Standard Bible is soon to be replaced. I wonder if this isn't mostly about marketing and sales, perhaps competing with the NIV? CSB may be a more marketable title. It will be interesting to see how much the CSB has actually changed from the HCSB (i.e. in the text itself). I did a comparison of Psalm 23, and found one line changed in it. So I wonder if it isn't more re-marketing than re-translating.

The link below gives Comparison Verses in the CSB, with explanations. The chart compares certain CSB texts with HCSB, NIV, ESV, NLT and KJV. I'm sure these are verses they prefer to highlight for various reasons.
http://csbible.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/CSB_VerseComparisons.pdf

I wouldn't think there have been any extravagantly great advances in biblical scholarship since 2004, but it is part of the marketing info: "With the benefit of up-to-date manuscript discoveries and significant advances in research, these translators, reviewers, and stylists exhaustively scrutinized ancient source texts..." In their online explanation of "Why" this Bible is needed, Lifeway/B&H notes there is a problem of people reading their Bibles less and less. We already have a plethora of new Bibles and we still have that problem.

One thing I noticed was that the HCSB capitalized "divine" pronouns and the CSB doesn't. I like their explanation "Why doesn’t the Christian Standard Bible capitalize pronouns referring to God?"
 
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rlvaughn said:
CSB may be a more marketable title.
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I distinctly recall that the early promotional literature about the HCSB way back when (late 1990s) referred to it as the "CSB".
There may have been a trademark problem, as there is a Churches of Christ magazine named the Christian Standard.
Its owner Standex Co. eventually broke up, with its Berean retail division eventually being acquired by Lifeway, and the Sunday School division of Standard Publishing by David C. Cook (new curriculum partner of CSB).
Perhaps some sort of agreement was reached regarding use of the name?
 
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Hmm, I just looked at the link provided by RLV.
In Ps. 1:1 the CSB has :"who does not walk in the advice of the wicked" I find that awkward.

In Ro. 3:25 I agree that "restraint" is better than the old-fashioned term of "forebearance" that the NIV uses.

And, I have said a number of times that I appreciate the HCSB/CSB's translation of Jn. 3:16. It words things better than the NIV and NLT. Some other versions that I like in this verse are the NET, ISV and NJB.
 
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rlvaughn said:
It amazes me that in less than two decades the Holman Christian Standard Bible is soon to be replaced. I wonder if this isn't mostly about marketing and sales, perhaps competing with the NIV? CSB may be a more marketable title. It will be interesting to see how much the CSB has actually changed from the HCSB (i.e. in the text itself). I did a comparison of Psalm 23, and found one line changed in it. So I wonder if it isn't more re-marketing than re-translating.

The link below gives Comparison Verses in the CSB, with explanations. The chart compares certain CSB texts with HCSB, NIV, ESV, NLT and KJV. I'm sure these are verses they prefer to highlight for various reasons.
http://csbible.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/CSB_VerseComparisons.pdf

I wouldn't think there have been any extravagantly great advances in biblical scholarship since 2004, but it is part of the marketing info: "With the benefit of up-to-date manuscript discoveries and significant advances in research, these translators, reviewers, and stylists exhaustively scrutinized ancient source texts..." In their online explanation of "Why" this Bible is needed, Lifeway/B&H notes there is a problem of people reading their Bibles less and less. We already have a plethora of new Bibles and we still have that problem.

One thing I noticed was that the HCSB capitalized "divine" pronouns and the CSB doesn't. I like their explanation "Why doesn’t the Christian Standard Bible capitalize pronouns referring to God?"
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Is there REALLY that big of a need to update a solid translation every 20 years, or is it mainly fot marketing reasons, here is the new and improved?

Did see my favorite, Nasb, revising again this tear, as last one "fixed" NT, this one for the Ot books?
 
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