The Imaginary Covenant of Grace

[timtofly]

Moses who was not the author of the book of Genesis as he was not an eye witness but merely edited the existing documents into Genesis, was an eye witness to the Law Covenant and he documented its 613 provisions.

Moses was a witness to all he wrote. He is one of God's witnesses. We know that Moses showed up in the NT and met the disciples Peter, James, and John. If he witnesses the end of The Law, there is no problem witnessing the book of Genesis. Now we know that two other men met Abraham with Jesus, why would Moses declare one of them was him? It would have needed too much explanation. But just ruling out the incident seems to be missing the point. He also met up with Elijah. How can one just claim about dozens of covenants and then dismiss the source of those very words as not witnessing each moment? I doubt covenants had much priority else Moses would have, even as an editor, a neat concise list of covenants someplace in one of the Books? No, I am not saying a covenant is not important for the one God is dealing with. It was not that Moses was not without first hand experiences, it is he only wrote what God wanted, to be placed in the Bible.

 

[Sai]

There is no covenant of grace, the entire program of God was always and will forever be by grace and mercy.

 

[Mikey]

There is no covenant of grace, the entire program of God was always and will forever be by grace and mercy.

covenant of grace does not deny this.

 

[Sai]

God gave Abraham the faith to believe when God made a covenant with himself by walking between the heifer that had been cut in two.
Abraham never conjured faith from his own willpower. In fact we see Abram making faithless decision after faithless decision until God walks through the sacrifice and vows to Abraham that He would provide the Redeemer through Abraham.

I thought Abe did it again after this. I mean the sister wife part.

 

[Sai]

He hesitated for awhile. Once he got to Canaan he lied about his wife, he got another woman pregnant and he struggled to believe God would provide through Sarai.
Don't get me wrong, in my flesh I would do no better. But, God profoundly changed Abram after God walked through the split sacrifices and swore an oath to Abram. It is after that moment when Abraham believes God will protect Isaac...even though God called him to slay Isaac. In this we see a profound change in Abraham compared to earlier events.

God is the giver of the gift of faith. Abram never generated faith from his fleshly will.

When did Isaac get his gift?

 

[Sai]

Agreed to all of the above. And it was still salvation by faith and works under the law of Moses, like Moses and Paul and Christ said. Those who died under the law could not go to heaven because the blood of Christ was not shed, so they went underground into death (not hell) and awaited the blood. But they went into death rather than hell because of their works.

Please clarify going to paradise because of their works. I reject that.

 

[Yeshua1]

Agreed to all of the above. And it was still salvation by faith and works under the law of Moses, like Moses and Paul and Christ said. Those who died under the law could not go to heaven because the blood of Christ was not shed, so they went underground into death (not hell) and awaited the blood. But they went into death rather than hell because of their works.

Their justification and to be received glorified bodies due to the coming messiah and his Cross, none ever been justified by law period!