The Inspiration

[Pastor KevinR]

Originally posted by michelle:
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At the same time no one speaks 17th century English, either, if they did speak this way, they would be looked upon as weird. But strangely, so many expect God to speak only in the 17th C English. As far as Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek; these are the languages God chose to inspire His Word, so it would do any believer good to do his best to learn these languages, or at least be familar w/ them
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Ah, but you see, we may not speak in that exact manner as the 17th century language, but we DO and CAN UNDERSTAND IT, and SPEAK MUCH of it, unlike a foriegn language. God does not require of his saints to KNOW and UNDERSTAND a foriegn language in order to KNOW and UNDERSTAND and READ and STUDY the SCRIPTURES DAILY, ecspecially when He has made it evident HE has provided them to us in our own language.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

...and if someone refuses to study the very languages which God chose to inspire His Word, as Bible students have done throughout history, then a good reliable BV in today's English would greatly benefit the reader. I highly recommend the very accurate NKJV as any translation, it's not perfect, but highly trustworthy nonetheless.

 

[Marcia]

Posted by Michelle
God does not require of his saints to KNOW and UNDERSTAND a foriegn language in order to KNOW and UNDERSTAND and READ and STUDY the SCRIPTURES DAILY, ecspecially when He has made it evident HE has provided them to us in our own language.

So are you saying that German and Swede saints (and Spanish, Japanese, Hungarian, etc. saints) can have God's word in their language?? Are you saying that God has preserved his word for them? It seems that this is what you are saying.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by Watchman:

Are there inspired translations?

I post on the inspiration part 2. You go ahead to read what I explained there.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by Trotter:
Inspiartion applies to the original writing of the words that God gave the original authors.

Absolutely, I agree.

 

[Askjo]

Originally posted by AVL1984:
The Autographs were the only "inspired". All after that are preservation of the inspired. There is no "second inspiration". IMHO

No second inspiration means no continued inspiration, do you agree?

 

[michelle]

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The language spoken by more people on the planet is Chinese, not English . . .

since it is not written in American Business English.

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I agree that Chinese may be the most common spoken native tongue, however with poor literacy rates, there are still more people capable of reading English. A Chinese "Bible on tape" might be a good idea (I'm sure they'd save their $0.02 a month and get a tape recorder in time for the Rapture.) The bottom line is that the KJB reaches more people in their native tongue than any other translation could while staying true to God's words.

On an American Business Language Bible, Dilbert would probably be happy to help . . . Gen 1:4-5 "And God re-engineered the darkness only paradigm through a proactive reorganization creating separate lightness (Day) and darkness (Night) teams. Through this proactive move, shareholder value was enhanced and the morning and closing bells marked the first trading day." My husband would appreciate that version - but he's an atheist scholar who's love of knowledge, logic, and comedy win over faith & Truth.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[robycop3]

Slambo:Where does it show in history that God blessed any Bible based on Egyptian texts??

Same place it shows He blessed those made from other texts.

Where does Scripture identify which text is correct?

 

[rsr]

"I agree that Chinese may be the most common spoken native tongue, however with poor literacy rates, there are still more people capable of reading English."

Truly doubtful. Chinese exists primarily as a written language; there are many Chinese spoken dialects (of which Mandarin is the largest), but only one major written language, which is understandable to folks whose spoken language is mutually untintelligible.

"The bottom line is that the KJB reaches more people in their native tongue than any other translation could while staying true to God's words."

Purely your subjective view. English is a second language for hundreds of millions, but that doesn't mean the speakers have any understanding of the nuances of the language.

Actually, if you want to push English as a universal language, you would support the use of the Easy-to-Read Version (ERV).

 

[robycop3]

Michelle:Ah, but you see, we may not speak in that exact manner as the 17th century language, but we DO and CAN UNDERSTAND IT, and SPEAK MUCH of it, unlike a foriegn language. God does not require of his saints to KNOW and UNDERSTAND a foriegn language in order to KNOW and UNDERSTAND and READ and STUDY the SCRIPTURES DAILY, ecspecially when He has made it evident HE has provided them to us in our own language.

Yerp! He's provided His word our in current English, just as He did in the 1500s, 1600s, etc. in the English current for the time.

 

[robycop3]

Anyone gonna try to answer Archangel7's question?

Arch:There are those who read both Greek and English. What are they to do when the Greek text disagrees with the KJV's translation of it?

 

[robycop3]

So, Anti_Alexandrian, WHAT TEXT was Jesus reading in Luke 4:17-21? And what text was the Ethiopian official reading in Acts 8?

 

[michelle]

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Arch:There are those who read both Greek and English. What are they to do when the Greek text disagrees with the KJV's translation of it?
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They would have had no need to turn to these foriegn languages if they hadn't had first doubted the scriptures they had already in English. They ought to go with what the English speaking churches have always had, known and believed and continue to believe, rather than relying upon their own vain imaginations and opinions in order try to prove a non existent error that stems from their doubt in the first place.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[rsr]

BTW: The literacy rate in China is 86 percent. Not exactly "low."

 

[michelle]

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BTW: The literacy rate in China is 86 percent. Not exactly "low."
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Obviously you're a believer in UNESCO and have much more faith than I in the accuracy of the data provided by the Chinese government.

 

[michelle]

RSR -
Agree that the different dialects use the same character set but they tend to use it in a way that is very different. It is very difficult for a Hakka speaker to read Cantonese due to character usage, idiomatic expressions, etc.\

Also, Mandarin is a forced language that is generally only spoken when communicating with people who don't speak your dialect.

My view is subjective to some extent but I wouldn't say purely. I think you would have to agree that the majority of modern Christians have English as one of their primary languages.

 

[Ed Edwards]

The Koran was inspired by Allah.
But it cannot be changed from the way
it was written, this includes translation.
If about 1,000 AD the Koran had been allowed
to be translated into the languages
of the earth, the whole world would be
Muslim today. It is hard to beat a
good book religion and killing off folks
who get in your way.

Fortunately for us Christians, the Koran
In Arabic Onlies (KIAOs) prevailed.

Praise Iesus

 

[michelle]

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The Koran was inspired by Allah.
But it cannot be changed from the way
it was written, this includes translation.
If about 1,000 AD the Koran had been allowed
to be translated into the languages
of the earth, the whole world would be
Muslim today. It is hard to beat a
good book religion and killing off folks
who get in your way.

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The Koran has nothing to do with this issue, as it is not the word of God. We are speaking about the word of God, not some mythical writings speaking of a false god and false religion.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

[natters]

AA said "And Natters,dont EVEN try to play the pre-Christian "LXX" card"

I didn't play it. The Translators of the KJV played it, I just reminded you about that.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by michelle:
The Koran has nothing to do with this issue, as it is not the word of God.

You never did understand about
metaphors. Current odds are 4/1 against
you ever figuring it out
Fortunately the translators of the King
James Version (KJV) seemed to have
a good grip on both the English Language
(of the 17th Century) and the concept
of similies and metaphors and other
retorical training devices.

I have given over $5,000 to the Wycliffe
translators programs. I believe in
PROACTIVE putting of the Holy Bible in the
language of the people who need it.
Fortunately the English speaking citizens
of the 21st Century (2001-2100) have
the Holman Christian Standard Bilbe (HCSB),
the inspired written word of God translated
into the 21st century English. Amen.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by natters:
AA said "And Natters,dont EVEN try to play the pre-Christian "LXX" card"

Say, wasn't the pre-Christian LXX translated at Alexandria, Egypt?
Say, if the LXX was translated in
Alexandria, Egypt, does that mean that
something good scriputre-wise came out
of Alexandria, Egypt? Either way, AA's
LXX conception is awry

Praise Iesus!