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The Invitation To Heaven

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Iconoclast

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SBG once again blames God for mans sin.
He then proclaims that God needs to do as SBG feels he should in order to be fair and kind .
That is why no communication is taking place
 
SavedByGrace

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Dave G said:
You have completely missed what God is saying, SBG.
No one is the friend of God without Him making it so.


But God says that anyone outside of Christ, is His enemy.

He makes friends with His enemies through saving them and making them born again.
Otherwise, we stay that way...
Lost and enemies against God.

Do you not see that when you read His words, my friend?
That is the real difference between those who are saved and those who are lost.

Reconciliation to God by the death of His Son.
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are you saying that ALL the "non elect" are haters of God? Really? ask you neighbour who does not believe. I know a few people who are not born again, yet are NOT opposed to God or the Gospel.
 
Dave G

Dave G

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SavedByGrace said:
define this. Romans 5:8 says, "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us", nothing about "rebelling" against God.
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Define Romans 1:18-32, Romans 2:1-11, Romans 3:10-18 and then look at Romans 5:8.

It's talking about and to believers...
those who have come to love the Lord.

For His grace and mercy towards them.
Because He first loved them ( 1 John 4:19 ).
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are you saying that ALL the "non elect" are haters of God? Really?
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Really.
And so were His children, before He changed them from the inside.

That is what God says...I'm only repeating His words, SBG.

If I may ask, why do you reject them, since you claim to be saved by grace?
Can you not see what His grace is?

We love Christ because He saved us from disaster, my friend.
It is no more complicated than that.;)
 
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SavedByGrace said:
then WHY would God through Joshua say, "CHOOSE this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” (24:15). the CHOICE is very clear, follow the Lord, or the devil. Saved of eternally lost. Could not be more simple!
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God is talking to the chosen people of Israel. They have a covenant with God, made at Mt Sinai, whereby God gives them laws and they agree to follow these laws.
Joshua is asking Israel if they wish to follow this covenant of laws or follow a different path. They (Israel) declare that they will follow the law. Joshua proceeds to tell them that they cannot and will not keep the law, even though they declare they will. In saying they choose God and His law, the people of Israel stand condemned under the law.

So, unless you intend to save yourself under the law, I suggest you don't reference Joshua 29 as a passage for salvation.
 
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SavedByGrace said:
so the "non elect" infants who have NO idea what is even going on, to either accept or reject Jesus as their Saviour, and automatically damned to eternal suffering??? This makes the God of the Bible a very unfair and unjust Person!
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Accusation #4.
 
Dave G

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@SavedByGrace :

Time for me to exit this thread.
As much as I'd like to continue this, we really have been through much of this to a great extent.
We disagree, and that is where it will stand unless God changes it.

I'm sorry, sir, but the contents of Romans 1, Romans 2 and Romans 3 are, for the most part, where I get the answers to our heart condition before God.
The Psalms, Proverbs and certain places in the "Gospels" ( Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ) are as well.
God's salvation starts there and it's not an invitation in the sense of us being willing to accept it...

In addition,
To me, you simply won't accept that God decides to save some and not others ( Romans 9, Romans 11 ), and that it is His choice ( Ephesians 1:4-5, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Psalms 65:4 ), not ours, that saves us.


I wish you well, as always,
and may He bless you in many ways, my friend.
 
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SavedByGrace said:
It is easier to just admit that you really cannot answer this passage, than to try to wiggle your way out with excuses. :eek:
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I did answer the passage actually. But what I am not willing to do is take words, verses and passages out of context and ignore the rest of Scripture in order to see your position.
 
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SavedByGrace said:
are you saying that ALL the "non elect" are haters of God? Really? ask you neighbour who does not believe. I know a few people who are not born again, yet are NOT opposed to God or the Gospel.
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They are in rebellion against God, as are living for themselves and their own ways!
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
I did answer the passage actually. But what I am not willing to do is take words, verses and passages out of context and ignore the rest of Scripture in order to see your position.
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which basically means, that you cannot answer what Peter says in Acts 10:34-35. Fair enough.
 
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