Allowing or permitting actions of humans. Ever hear of saying you will do this or that, God willing?
The absurd claim God does not allow or permit actions is just another fictitious claim.
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The absurd claim God does not allow or permit actions is just another fictitious claim.
@Van I do appreciate you using the word "permute". I was not familiar with it and had to look it up.
Allowing or permitting actions of humans. Ever hear of saying you will do this or that, God willing?
The absurd claim God does not allow or permit actions is just another fictitious claim.
There is nothing valid about rewriting what I said. God willing, or God permits, is an action of God, and to deny it denies God's sovereignty.
LOL, just because God can do something, does not support the belief that God did do something. If God's plan is to allow humanity to exercise their autonomous choice of trusting in God and His Christ, or not, God can do it, and it does not mean God is not sovereign, it means He exercises His sovereignty in a manner that differs from the mistaken view of Calvinism.
For God to allow something does not mean God is subject to the wills of the creation. He can allow people to sin, and then He can punish them for the sins they chose autonomously to commit.
Once again the attempt to nullify scripture employs nonsense.
For God to allow something does not mean God is subject to the wills of the creation. He can allow people to sin, and then He can punish them for the sins they chose autonomously to commit.
Once again the attempt to nullify scripture employs nonsense.
KenH
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When I say, "God willing", or in Latin, "Deo volente"(I learned that as there is a horse farm that breeds standardbreds and that is the name of the farm), it means if God sovereignly wills it. I am not saying if God "permits it" or lets it be done by some "random act" or some alleged "libertarian free will".
KenH
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I am so thankful to my heavenly Father that He did not do such a thing and leave my salvation up to me meeting some condition that my evil, wicked heart could never have met. I am so thankful to my heavenly Father that He made His Son my Surety and that He met all of the conditions for my salvation. I am so thankful to my heavenly Father that my salvation is totally, 100% by His free and sovereign grace.
Do you even know where the term is found in scripture? It refers to God allowing or permitting something to occur.
Act 18:21 (NASB)
but took leave of them and said, “I will return to you again if God wills,” and he set sail from Ephesus.
Act 18:21 (NKJV)
but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem;[fn] but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.
A straight-up denial of 2 Thessalonians 2:13.
MOUNCE
But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you · as first fruits for salvation, by sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth.
It is pointless to discuss scripture with someone who puts words in other peoples mouths, and ignores the obvious. Scripture says God permits or allows actions. Full Stop God willing.
Silverhair
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Ken the gift of God in Eph 2:8 is salvation not faith, that is just a view that is read into the text in support of your errant philosophy.
The context Php 1:27-29 shows that it is not the gift of faith but rather the strengthening of their faith that is in view.
KenH
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Clearly, as I have already shown previously in this thread, your view is not Biblical.
Yet another change of subject post with nothing specific concerning the topic. It is pointless to discuss scripture with someone who puts words in other peoples mouths, and ignores the obvious. Scripture says God permits or allows actions. Full Stop God willing.
The following is what the sovereign God did do.
for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope Romans 8:20
Also I am going out on a limb and state I believe on the first seventh day, the day God rested from all His work which God had created and made, the creation was subjected to vanity, on unto hope.
I might add I believe the hope stated above is the hope of the promise of God who cannot lie.
for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope Romans 8:20
Also I am going out on a limb and state I believe on the first seventh day, the day God rested from all His work which God had created and made, the creation was subjected to vanity, on unto hope.
I might add I believe the hope stated above is the hope of the promise of God who cannot lie.
Silverhair
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It looks like you should go back a reread Jer 18. That clay, Israel, sure seems to do quite a bit that God does not purpose. Well at least if you do not have God working against Himself.