The Kingdom of God

[KenH]

It looks like you should go back a reread Jer 18. That clay, Israel, sure seems to do quite a bit that God does not purpose. Well at least if you do not have God working against Himself.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

[Silverhair]

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

You struggle way to hard to hold onto your errant views. You trash the character of God by the use of you one liner theology.

 

[KenH]

You struggle way to hard to hold onto your errant views. You trash the character of God by the use of you one liner theology.

So now you think that quoting a Bible verse is "one liner theology".

 

[Silverhair]

So now you think that quoting a Bible verse is "one liner theology".

You quoted one line just as I pointed out. You take a verse that you think is a giant killer response and expect everyone to just agree with you.
So ya that is "one liner theology"

PS. Why would you think that a Christian would disagree with Proverb 16:4?

 

[KenH]

You quoted one line just as I pointed out. You take a verse that you think is a giant killer response and expect everyone to just agree with you.
So ya that is "one liner theology"

You missed.

Try better next time, Silverhair.

 

[Silverhair]

You missed.

Try better next time, Silverhair.

What did I miss Ken? You posted one line did you not? The verse does not show that God has to control all things as you posit. But He can arrange things for His purposes. God is sovereign but you just do not want to let Him be sovereign.

 

[KenH]

God is sovereign but you just do not want to let Him be sovereign.

1. Who are you as a mere human, a mere worm, to think that you can "let" God be or do anything?

2. I declare God the Creator to be the total absolute ruler of His creation - totally absolutely sovereign.

3. You, Silverhair, declare the god of your imagination to be much like you. Your god can fail to achieve his purposes. Your god needs you to "let" him to this or to "let" him do that. Your god needs your cooperation to save you.

 

[Silverhair]

1. Who are you as a mere human, a mere worm, to think that you can "let" God be or do anything?

2. I declare God the Creator to be the total absolute ruler of His creation - totally absolutely sovereign.

3. You, Silverhair, declare the god of your imagination to be much like you. Your god can fail to achieve his purposes. Your god needs you to "let" him to this or to "let" him do that. Your god needs your cooperation to save you.

Oh I know that God is sovereign but you on the other hand want to restrict what He can do. You don't allow Him to be God. When you say man cannot have a free will and God has allowed man to have a free will you are putting yourself over God. So do not talk to me about your god being the total absolute ruler of his creation - you think you have control over God. You are such a silly man.

Who are you as a mere human, a mere worm, to think that you can "restrict" God from doing anything? And you do it all the time don't you.

God is sovereign over his sovereignty. To say that God can’t is, ironically, to deny God’s sovereignty.

 

[KenH]

God is sovereign over his sovereignty.

That is one of the most inane, if not the most inane, statements I have ever read.

 

[Silverhair]

That is one of the most inane, if not the most inane, statements I have ever read.

Ken you keep saying that God is "totally absolutely sovereign" yet do not allow Him to be as His actually being sovereign would mean that you are not in control. So yes God is actually sovereign over His sovereignty contrary to what you think. You, Ken, are not sovereign over His sovereignty, you just think you are.

God is sovereign over his sovereignty. To say that God can’t is, ironically, to deny God’s sovereignty.

But you do this all the time don't you Ken.

 

[KenH]

God is sovereign over his sovereignty.

There is more value in a cute animal video than in your inane statement, Silverhair.

So, I'll share something that has more value than your inane statement:

 

[Silverhair]

There is more value in a cute animal video than in your inane statement, Silverhair.

So, I'll share something that has more value than your inane statement:

Just like the cat in the video, Ken you keep falling over yourself and getting nowhere. You do not like the reality that God is actually sovereign and not you. He can and has given man a free will which is something that you will not accept as it goes against your philosophy.

 

[KenH]

Just like the cat in the video, Ken you keep falling over yourself and getting nowhere.

Actually, maybe you don't see so well, but the cat is actually moving forward. Unlike you being stuck in your man-glorifying theological quicksand.

For the folks watching from home, how about another cute animal video?

 

[Silverhair]

Actually, maybe you don't see so well, but the cat is actually moving forward. Unlike you being stuck in your man-glorifying theological quicksand.

For the folks watching from home, how about another cute animal video?

Do you spend all your time trolling the net to find these or do people send them to you to help amuse you amuse yourself.

Your childishness is well noted on BB. Since a serious discussion with you is not in the cards I will just put you on ignore.

 

[MrW]

I have about four ignored.

 

[Iconoclast]

I worship the God of the Bible. Apparently, you worship a god of your own vain imagination.

Romans 1 declares the truth that men invent their own gods.Nevertheless it is still shocking to see;
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

God is sovereign over his sovereignty. To say that God can’t is, ironically, to deny God’s sovereignty.

There are actually two things that the Bible tells us God cannot do.
He cannot lie (Titus 1:2) and He cannot deny Himself (2 Timothy 2:13).
To abandon His sovereignty somehow would seem to me to be lying to His creation and also denying Himself.

 

[tyndale1946]

In Matthew 6:10 and Luke 11:2, the Lord instructed His disciples to pray, "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."

They are to pray for God to bring His kingdom to earth, and to do His will as it is done in Heaven.

We read in John 18:33, "Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

This was of course before the crucifixion of Christ. "Now is My kingdom not from hence". This tells us His kingdom had not come at that time, and strongly implies that one day, His kingdom would come, and be established on the earth.

After the Lord's resurrection, Matthew records Him saying in chapter 28:18, "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

In Revelation 11:15, John the Beloved Apostle tells us, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Some believe the kingdom of God is now on the earth, that God's kingdom has come, and that Christ is ruling the nations with a rod of iron. But is He? Yes, He has all power, but does He exercise all power at all times? That is the question, and the answer is, "No". How do we know? Because God's will is done in Heaven, and there are no rapes, no robberies, no murders, no crime, no sin in Heaven. The kingdom of God, Paul tells us, "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." Romans 14:17.

Isaiah speaks of God's kingdom in the Millennial Reign of Christ as a time when "...the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox." Isaiah 11:7. Again, "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord."

Amos tells us, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt." Amos 9:13.

Isaiah 65 tells us, "17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.

24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord."

None of these prophecies have happened. They will happen, however, in the Millennial Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ, which God tells us six times will last one thousand years, and that satan will be bound during that time. It's obvious to all satan is not bound now--indeed he is wreaking havoc all over this earth, for he knows his time is short, and when Christ takes the kingdoms of this world unto Himself, then He will rule the nations with a rod of iron, and all the prophecies above will be fulfilled completely and perfectly.

Does Christ have all power? Yes. Does He exercise all His power at this present time? No. He permits satan to be the "god of this age" at this present time, and He will really grant him further power during the time of the Great Tribulation, the Time of Jacob's Trouble, and this will be a demon-possessed world. I hope you have gone to Heaven in the Translation of the Church by then, or been promoted through natural death and escape those things that shall come upon this earth.

MrW

Seems to me MrW, that you are in error... Jesus told us exactly where the Kingdom of God is... Brother Glen

Luke 17: 20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

1 Corinthians 15: 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The Kingdom Of God is US... On our way to Heaven, where the Son Of God came from... Brother Glen

 

[Alan Gross]

Oh yeah, Brother Glen, back to the kingdom;

I consider this book a modern classic.

He does such a good job on so many areas of Eschatology, I read it four times by just checking it out of the library (and writing into it scripture corrections, etc.) before I could afford it.

Here is the whole thing, by permission, in .pdf!!!
https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/davis/The High King of Heaven - Dean Davis.pdf

This way you can get the links to this contents page, below the introduction, and just bounce around to different subjects he covers if you want.

These audios of it have always been a blessing to me, too: (from his "Eschatological Laboratory") High King of Heaven Seminar: 5 Part MP3 Seminar

This is his introduction:

"For the last 150 years the evangelical world has been embroiled in a Great Debate about eschatology, about the true biblical picture of God's ultimate purpose for the universe, life, and man.

"Much of the debate swirls around the Kingdom of God: What is its true nature?

"In how many stages does it enter history?

"How shall we interpret the Old Testament prophecies of the Kingdom-literally (in terms of Israel) or figuratively (in terms of the Church*)?

"There is also controversy about the Consummation: Will our world get better and better, or worse and worse?

"Will Christ return once, twice, or even three times?

"When He does return, will it be before the millennium or after?

"How many resurrections should we expect?

"How many judgments?

"What will the universe be like when God finally creates the new heavens and the new earth?

"This book was written in the conviction that the High King of heaven has given his people certain master keys by which they may know the answers to these questions, and so be fully prepared for the awesome consummation of all things.

"In it, pastor and author Dean Davis seeks to place those keys in our hands, so that we may behold afresh the simplicity and glory of our Blessed Hope, and thereby resolve, once and for all, the Great End Time Debate."

*I take the fish and leave the bones, so just to remind you that I don't see it in the Bible, he sees a universal 'church' of some sort in the Bible, along with many others in recent history (since, there emerged a new theory of the 'church' - the UNIVERSAL, INVISIBLE SPIRITUAL THEORY, born of the Reformation movement; - WHY AND WHEN THE THEORY STARTED.)


Contents Prologue and Acknowledgments Introduction:

The Blessed Hope in These Last Days
Part 1: Issues and Options in Biblical Eschatology
1. What is Biblical Eschatology?
2. Issues in Biblical Eschatology
3. Options in Biblical Eschatology
4. He has the Keys! Part

2: Understanding the Kingdom of God
5. The Good News of the Kingdom
6. The Beginning and the Kingdom
7. The Covenant and the Kingdom
8. The OT Promise of the Kingdom
9. The Coming of the Kingdom
10. Salvation History: A Journey to the Kingdom
11. These are the Keys!

Part 3: Understanding Old Testament Kingdom Prophecy
12. The Nature and Stages of the Kingdom in Old Testament Prophecy
13. New Testament Principles for Interpreting OT Kingdom Prophecy
14. NT Examples of Interpreting OT Kingdom Prophecy
15. OT Kingdom Prophecies Considered: Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah
16. OT Kingdom Prophecies Considered: Ezekiel
17. OT Kingdom Prophecies Considered: Daniel
18. OT Kingdom Prophecies Considered: Zechariah

Part 4: Understanding the Millennium
19. The Revelation: Purpose and Literary Genre
20. The Revelation: Structure and Key Symbols
21. Revelation
20: The Meaning of the Millennium

Part 5: Understanding the Consummation
22. The Design, Structure, and Unity of the Consummation
23. Crucial NT Texts Pertaining to the Consummation (1)
24. Crucial NT Texts Pertaining to the Consummation (2)
25. The Consummation: A Biblical Scenario

Epilogue: Amillennialism: An Eschatology for These Last Days

Appendix 1: A Critique of Historic Premillennialism
Appendix 2: A Critique of Postmillennialism
Appendix 3: A Critique of Dispensational Premillennialism
Appendix 4: A Critique of Preterism
Appendix 5: Is the Modern State of Israel a Fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy? Appendix 6: Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies Listed
Appendix 7: Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies Cited in the New Testament
Appendix 8: New Testament Texts Touching on the Parousia/Consummation
Appendix 9: Biblical Prophecies of the Last Battle
Appendix 10: The Creeds of Christendom on the Consummation

Endnotes
Subject Index
Scripture Index
Select Bibliography

 

[Alan Gross]

Speaking of classics in .pdf, this one is worth its weight in gold and any number of hours devouring, IMHO, regarding the kingdom of God and many related subjects;

Philip Mauro
The Hope of Israel [1929]

"Not giving heed to Jewish Fables"--Titus 1:14


TABLE OF CONTENTS.

• Title Page, p. 3.
• Copyright Page, p. 4.
• Foreword, pp. 5-6.
• Contents, pp. 7-8.

• Chapter I, pp. 9-13.
  • The Nature and Importance of the Question, pp. 9-13.
• Chapter II, pp. 14-25.
  • How Are the O. T. Prophecies of Blessing to Israel to Be Interpreted? pp. 14-18.
  • An Illustration from Zechariah, pp. 18-25.
• Chapter III, pp. 26-32.
  • How the O. T. Prophecies Concerning Israel Are Interpreted by Paul, pp. 26-32.
• Chapter IV, pp. 33-37.
  • What the Fathers of Israel Were Looking For, pp. 33-37.
• Chapter V, pp. 38-53.
  • God's Warnings through Moses to His Earthly People, pp. 38-49.
  • What the Apostles Were Looking For, pp. 49-52.
  • Erroneous Teachings Concerning the Sinaitic Covenant, pp. 52-53.
• Chapter VI, pp. 54-61.
  • God's Warnings through Moses (Continued), pp. 54-58.
  • The Important of the Right Understanding of These Prophecies, pp. 58-59.
  • The Kingdom Foretold by Moses, pp. 59-61.
• Chapter VII, pp. 62-75.
  • God's Promises to the Children of Israel Fulfilled by Joshua, pp. 62-68.
  • From the Desert to the River Euphrates, pp. 68-72.
  • "The Son of the Bondwoman Shall Not Be Heir," pp. 72-73.
  • The Period of the Judges, pp. 73-75.
• Chapter VIII, pp. 76-83.
  • Salvation in Zion, pp. 76-79.
  • The Sure Mercies of David, pp. 79-83.
• Chapter IX, pp. 84-93.
  • The Travail of Zion, pp. 84-86.
  • A Voice from the Temple, pp. 87-90.
  • Isaiah's Prophecy as a Whole, pp. 90-92.
  • The New Nation a Resurrection, pp. 92-93.

• Chapter X, pp. 94-102.
  • The New Covenant, pp. 94-96.
  • The New Covenant People, pp. 96-97.
  • In That Day, pp. 98-102.
• Chapter XI, pp. 103-112.
  • Ezekiel's Prophecies: The Doom of Jerusalem. The Branch. The Shepherd of Israel. The Valley of Death, pp. 103-110.
  • The Valley of Dry Bones, pp. 110-112.

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