Professional football is about 75% black and I would venture to say that the percentage of blacks on pro basketball teams is even higher. It is not unusual when watching a pro basketball game to see 10 black men on the court. Why? Because they produce and the coaches and the owners want to win. There has never been a Nobel prize awarded to a black man in science and mathematics and yet look at the number of Jews who have been awarded Nobel prizes. The most hated and persecuted race in the history of mankind. Anyone who owns a business is in business for one reason only. Not to provide someone with a job but to make money. Employment is a by-product of the entrepreneur's desire to make a profit. Whether it is a black man who helps that businessman make a profit or a white man it makes no difference to him. Pro sports is the quintessential example of this fact. Making a profit is colorblind. If a black man gets fired from his job he needs to look in the mirror and study his character, not his skin color.
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The Legacy of Slavery
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In a town that I used to live in they had an organization called the 100 Black Men of "...". And, that's ok but then again. What if there were an organization called the 100 White Men of ... One is ok, the other is racist. For the life of me I can't understand that. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. It's ok for one organization to emphasize it's race. But, it's not ok for the other. And, we wonder why we have race problems in "these United States."
Magnetic Poles
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The blatant undercurrent of racism here is unbelievable. It is fine for a caucasian to have a view of race relations, of course. But no white person has lived the experience of being black in America. There remains, even to this day, repurcussions from this shameful past episode of "these United States".
It goes beyond slavery. Within my lifetime:
- Black people had to ride in the back of the bus
- Could not eat in the same restaurant
- Had to use separate restrooms and water fountains
- Could not swim in the same pool
- Had to sit outside the church and listen on speakers, while whites went into the air conditioned building
- Go to the back of the Dairy Queen to be served
- Discriminated against at the polls
- Treated as less than equal on many other levels
So is it any surprise that given this experience that some people are still upset and hold some resentment? I bet most of you would if you had experienced this growing up.
As for the inane comment about the NBA and the NFL, not very many people, black or white, get the opportunity to play in those leagues. There is not a White Congressional Caucus, because historically, the entire body was a white caucus. People who are in a minority status meet to strategize ways to advance an agenda more favorable to them. A higher percentage of blacks are living in poverty than whites, all because of institutionalized discrimination. We have come a long way, but it takes generations to overcome previous multi-generational discrimination. I long for a day when society is colorblind and no longer has a need for affirmative action programs. I think we are getting closer, but until all have a fair opportunity at achieving the American Dream, we can't quit.
I do believe that some Affirmative Action programs have lived past the need for them, and this is a danger. We need to find a way to insure every child, Black, White, Native American, Latino, Asian-American, or whatever background, gets the best possible education and opportunity to acheive their maximum potential. This makes for a better world for all.
It goes beyond slavery. Within my lifetime:
- Black people had to ride in the back of the bus
- Could not eat in the same restaurant
- Had to use separate restrooms and water fountains
- Could not swim in the same pool
- Had to sit outside the church and listen on speakers, while whites went into the air conditioned building
- Go to the back of the Dairy Queen to be served
- Discriminated against at the polls
- Treated as less than equal on many other levels
So is it any surprise that given this experience that some people are still upset and hold some resentment? I bet most of you would if you had experienced this growing up.
As for the inane comment about the NBA and the NFL, not very many people, black or white, get the opportunity to play in those leagues. There is not a White Congressional Caucus, because historically, the entire body was a white caucus. People who are in a minority status meet to strategize ways to advance an agenda more favorable to them. A higher percentage of blacks are living in poverty than whites, all because of institutionalized discrimination. We have come a long way, but it takes generations to overcome previous multi-generational discrimination. I long for a day when society is colorblind and no longer has a need for affirmative action programs. I think we are getting closer, but until all have a fair opportunity at achieving the American Dream, we can't quit.
I do believe that some Affirmative Action programs have lived past the need for them, and this is a danger. We need to find a way to insure every child, Black, White, Native American, Latino, Asian-American, or whatever background, gets the best possible education and opportunity to acheive their maximum potential. This makes for a better world for all.
Magnetic Poles
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So, what's stopping you from starting WET, Miss White USA, Ivory Magazine, White College, UWCF, etc.? The point is whites have had some advantages without the need for such.webdog said:
KenH
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Excellent posts, MP.
Where I grew up, in South Texas, there were not very many black people. The one guy that was a bully toward me in junior high was white. He was impeding my progress to class one day and it was a black student who came over, stood up to him, and told him to leave me alone.
Personally, I have always had good relations with black people. At one point in time a couple of years ago 4 out of the 9 people I supervised were black.
Where I grew up, in South Texas, there were not very many black people. The one guy that was a bully toward me in junior high was white. He was impeding my progress to class one day and it was a black student who came over, stood up to him, and told him to leave me alone.
Personally, I have always had good relations with black people. At one point in time a couple of years ago 4 out of the 9 people I supervised were black.
What's stopping me? For one, being labeled a racist and white supremacist (and timeMagnetic Poles said:
). There is not a single non-racist white person in America who could get away with anything like this.Everything you mentioned witnessing in your first post...I have not witnessed. Why then are those my same age using these very reasons as a guilt trip today?
Also, why do we need to put a color...any color as a prefix? What is wrong with plain old Miss USA (which has women of color I might add)? Why the need to segregate at all? I thought the point was to ELIMINATE segregation, not further it's cause!
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Magnetic Poles
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That's what I mean..you have not had that experience. It is not a guilt trip...it has been institutionalized discrimination that would still be there today if not for progressive laws to change this. That doesn't mean it still isn't going on beneath the surface...but you cannot get away with refusing to sell a black family a house, or segregating the schools, or any of the other things. These are real, and people alive today have experienced it. Like I said, it takes time.webdog said:What's stopping me? For one, being labeled a racist and white supremacist (and time
Everything you mentioned witnessing in your first post...I have not witnessed. Why then are those my same age using these very reasons as a guilt trip today?
And I got news for you...you already sound like a racist complaining about BET and UNCF, etc. You may as well go whole hog!
Magnetic Poles
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If the shoe fits....and obviously it does. If you make racist statements, you should not be surprised to be called on it.sag38 said:
Nobody made a racist statement. The liberals are real quick to pin that label on anybody who even dares question the non segregation segregation. I will not be labeled by a rogue BB liberal like Magnetic Poles. I have every right to question the need for segregation in the same way those who you witnessed suffer from the exact opposite segregation.
Magnetic Poles
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Nice doublespeak. Integration is segregation. Black is white. War is peace.webdog said:
Try making some sense. Do you really think adding a "black" prefix before anything actually helps to eliminate the racial tension in America and promote unity? Whatever...Magnetic Poles said:
Which one would be accepted in America
First White Baptist Church
or
First Black Baptist Church
#1 would be labeled by you as a "racist" church, while #2 would be accepted with open arms as a thing of beauty. Neither garner racial harmony, but #2 would be widely accepted by everyone but skinheads and white supremacists.
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Magnetic Poles
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Advancing a historically disenfranchised group helps move us toward equality and hopefully, a color-blind society.webdog said:
As for churches...I have seen predominately white, black, and mixed congregations. I have been to all three types, and always felt welcome. I have never seen the strawman you posit. You have no idea how I would label anything, so get off it.
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