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The Libby Injustice

carpro

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http://www.opinionjournal.com/weekend/hottopic/?id=110009555

The Libby Injustice
A political dispute whose "crime" was solved a long time ago.

Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST

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Opening arguments begin next week in the trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, and, regardless of the verdict, it is our firm belief that this is a case that should never have been brought. While a tragedy for Mr. Libby and his family in personal terms, the case is among the most egregious examples we can recall of criminalizing political differences.

In the most important sense, this is a case without a crime. Yes, Mr. Libby is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, which are serious offenses. But this seasoned, disciplined lawyer is accused of lying to cover up a leak he didn't commit, and which has long been proven not to have been a crime at all. One early bit of drama will be to see what motive prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerland comes up with to explain why Mr. Libby would lie to the FBI and a grand jury when he had essentially nothing to hide.

All the more so because one of the mysteries of this case is Mr. Fitzgerald himself. He made his reputation as a tough prosecutor in Chicago who was nonetheless scrupulous about the law. But in this case, he knew from the very first day of his appointment in December 2003 that neither Mr. Libby nor the Vice President's office had orchestrated the leak of Valerie Plame's name to columnist Robert Novak.

He also knew--based on earlier FBI interviews--that the real leaker was Richard Armitage, the No. 2 man at the State Department and if anything a policy rival of Mr. Libby's inside the Bush Administration. The original theory of the case--that the leak was a political vendetta against Ms. Plame's husband, Joe Wilson--was thus demonstrably false from the start of his probe. The "crime," in short, had been solved.

Yet Mr. Fitzgerald has persisted for three long years, and only six weeks into his investigation sought and received an expansion of his authority in order to go after a senior administration official--Mr. Libby--who had had nothing to do with the leak Mr. Fitzgerald was investigating. And he pursued the case even to the extent of creating a Constitutional showdown over reporters and their sources. Why?
 

The Galatian

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I guess the only question remaining is "Did Libby actually lie about it under oath?"

A jury will decide that, and reasoning of the prosecuter will not enter into it. All that matters is "Did he commit a crime or not?"
 

777

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The Galatian said:
I guess the only question remaining is "Did Libby actually lie about it under oath?"

The I guess the only answer is "Why would Libby lie about leaking a name that has been known by the Special Prosecutor from the start that another party leaked"?

The Galatian said:
A jury will decide that, and reasoning of the prosecuter will not enter into it. All that matters is "Did he commit a crime or not?"

Uh, no, not if Fitzgerald was politically motivated. He can't prosecute political enemies for no reason, that'd be an abuse of power MAJORILY.

Don't want that!
 

Baptist in Richmond

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carpro

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[FONT=Verdana, Times]Grudges?:confused:

"Motive is a difficult thing to gauge. We don't know whether this long personal history played any role either in Mr. Fitzgerald's single-minded pursuit of Mr. Libby, or in Mr. Comey's decision to grant the prosecutor plenary power even though the central mystery of the case had already been resolved. But connecting the dots linking the three men at the heart of this case seems worth doing given the puzzling nature of this prosecution."
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tragic_pizza

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hillclimber1 said:
There is no just outcome available.
I agree completely. This whole thing was a waste of taxpayer money, and a silly one to boot. Pity that Libby has to be the sacrificial lamb.
 

777

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The Galatian said:
Nevertheless, if he lied, he committed a crime, and there will be consequences.

That's the way the law works.

Oh no, everybody lies under oath about leaking a name they never leaked, this is just a witchhunt!

That's the way the law works.
 

The Galatian

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Last time I looked "everyone is doing it too." is not a legal defense. It's very simple; don't lie under oath, and you don't have anything to worry about.

Simple as that.
 

carpro

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The Galatian said:
Nevertheless, if he lied, he committed a crime, and there will be consequences.

That's the way the law works.

Not necessarily.

Clinton comes to mind.
 

Daisy

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777 said:
The I guess the only answer is "Why would Libby lie about leaking a name that has been known by the Special Prosecutor from the start that another party leaked"?
That's not an answer, that's a question.

777 said:
Uh, no, not if Fitzgerald was politically motivated. He can't prosecute political enemies for no reason, that'd be an abuse of power MAJORILY.
You are aware that Fitzgerald was chosen to investigate the matter by a Republican, aren't you? I don't think you'll get very far trying to slime Fitzgerald (linkie).
 

777

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Fitzgerald's behaviour is inexplicable, want to see what he has to say when he makes his case but it might not get to that point.
 

carpro

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Daisy said:
He was impeached and disbarred - is that "no consequence"?

He committed a felony. The same felony Libby is accused of. Clinton was guilty. We don't know yet if Libby is guilty.

I wonder if Fitzgerald has offered to let Libby off the hook if he forfeits his liscense to practice law for the next 5 years?
 

Daisy

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carpro said:
He committed a felony. The same felony Libby is accused of. Clinton was guilty. We don't know yet if Libby is guilty.

I wonder if Fitzgerald has offered to let Libby off the hook if he forfeits his liscense to practice law for the next 5 years?
Clinton's lie was about his personal life to a Republican-financed persecution; Libby's was about his actions in his official capacity in an investigation instituted by his own administration. Clinton plea-bargained; will Libby?
 

carpro

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Daisy said:
Clinton's lie was about his personal life to a Republican-financed persecution; Libby's was about his actions in his official capacity in an investigation instituted by his own administration. Clinton plea-bargained; will Libby?

Perjury is perjury just like sin is sin. Why do you make excuses for one and not the other? Is that Biblical?
 
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johnk48

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I don't think it's Libby they are really after. They just intend to use him to somehow find garbage they can use to incirminate Cheney and their prime target, Bush. Hatred skews actions.
 
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