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Joseph Botwinick
Joseph Botwinick
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I am not accepting your test because it's based on your assumption that God uses natural disasters today the way he did in the OT. God did use disasters in the OT to bring judgment on his people, but we know that because the Bible says He did! There is no way to know that Katrina was some kind of judgement from God.Originally posted by Mark Osgatharp:
Hear the words of Nahum:
"The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite. God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet. He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth. The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him."
...Then tell me which God you serve - the God of Nahum and of David, or the god of Mark Twain.
Marcia,There is no way to know that Katrina was some kind of judgement from God.
You better go back and read the text a little closer. To start with, God is the one who initiated the whole thing by calling Satan's attention to Job. Second, God explicitly said that He is the one who destroyed Job.Originally posted by TexasSky:
The bible does not say that God sent disaster upon Job. It says that Satan did, and that God did not stop it.
Your statements assume there is some force behind "nature" other than the power of God. That is so contrary to Scripture that one would wonder where to start in refuting it. A good place, I suppose, would be Jesus' words that,I think this is a natural occurence that God chose not to alter or not to stop. There is a very natural pattern to the formation of hurricanes and tornados, and it would be a miracle from God to stop one. God choosing not to give a miracle is not necessarily the same thing as God deliberately causing pain and devastation.
Really? Are you sure?Originally posted by TexasSky:
God never altered the weather patterns of the earth.
My friend, have you never read the Scripture, "the wages of sin is death"?Originally posted by TexasSky:
I have images of some of you standing at funerals going, "Well, I don't know what it was, but they did something terrible or God wouldn't have let them die." *Shaking my head sadly*
And yet, none of us have said any such thing. How sad it is that you have to defame us in that manner.Originally posted by TexasSky:
I have images of some of you standing at funerals going, "Well, I don't know what it was, but they did something terrible or God wouldn't have let them die." *Shaking my head sadly*
What baulderdash.
God lets nature be nature.
That isn't a curse from God.
Christ rebuked the wind, and he commanded the seas to be calm. Why would he have rebuked it if it was his storm?And when they had sent away the multitude, they tooke him, euen as he was in the ship, and there were also with him other litle ships.
And there arose a great storme of wind, and the waues beat into the ship, so that it was now full.
And he was in the hinder part of the ship asleepe on a pillow: and they awake him, and say vnto him, Master, carest thou not, that we perish?
And hee arose, and rebuked the winde, and said vnto the sea, Peace, be still: and the winde ceased, and there was a great calme.
And he said vnto them, Why are ye so fearefull? How is it that you haue no faith?
And they feared exceedingly, and saide one to another, What maner of man is this, that euen the winde and the sea obey him?
Absolutely.Originally posted by guitarpreacher:
If I say I believe totally in the soveriegnty of God and that I believe he is in control, does that mean I have to say I believe that God formed Huricane Katrina and slammed it into the gulf coast destroying the lives and property of saints as well as sinners?
No, it would not. In fact, the Lord explicitly said that He sent the Babylonian captivity on the Jews. But He then judged the Edomites because they did not aid them in their flight and the Babylonians for oppressing them. See the book of Obadiah.In fact, if God sent huricane Katrina to punish Mississippi and Louisiana, then wouldn't it be wrong for us to intervene in their suffering with relief efforts?