The Lord Jesus Christ and the Death Penalty

[JesusFan]

If your submission to Christ does not lead you to submit to God's moral law, are you sure that it's Christ your submitting to and the Holy Spirit whose power you are utilizing? 'Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practises righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous' (1John 3:7). I have known plenty of people who have said, "It feels so right! I can't believe God would be against it" as an excuse for sin. If it's against God's commandments, then He is against it.

A christian has the Moral law within us, as the HS indwells us, and He will NOT lead us to disobey the Will of God for our lives!

Just saying that we do NOT see the law as OT believers Did, as we are now led and govern directly in the indwelling presense of the Lord in us, something the OT did not know!

Read Paragraph 6 in the excerpt I posted of the 1689 Confession. You might also consider Matt 5:19.

Steve

I do not hold to the confessions/creeds though, as the Bible is sufficient for the Christian to grow up in all things spiritual!

 

[freeatlast]

I know what the 10 Commandments are, but do NOT focus my efforts on making sure I submit to them, instead, i spend the time submitting to Christ through the power/person of the HS!

We are NOT saying one can :live as they please" as we are now nbelonging to Christ, its just that the law does NOT serve same function to me as it did for those under OT covenant relationship with God!

Let me ask you this. Do you really believe that if you got saved and had no bible with the written law you would know how to live? If you say yes then explain why we meet and are taught the word? We need to stop all that teaching and just preach the gospel, but the Lord said we are to teach men to obey all, and all takes the written word.
When ever the Lord convicts me He always points back to what is written. Alsways!

 

[JesusFan]

Let me ask you this. Do you really believe that if you got saved and had no bible with the written law you would know how to live? If you say yes then explain why we meet and are taught the word? We need to stop all that teaching and just preach the gospel, but the Lord said we are to teach men to obey all, and all takes the written word.
When ever the Lord convicts me He always points back to what is written. Alsways!

i am saying that the ONLY word we need today is the sure word of the Bible, as that is revelation of God unto us...

IF one was saved, and abided in Christ, empowered by yielding to the HS, would have His fruit...

focus on Following jesus, not looking at and following the Law as they had to in OT times!

 

[freeatlast]

i am saying that the ONLY word we need today is the sure word of the Bible, as that is revelation of God unto us...

IF one was saved, and abided in Christ, empowered by yielding to the HS, would have His fruit...

focus on Following jesus, not looking at and following the Law as they had to in OT times!

The problem is that to know how to follow takes the written law. God does not pump into understanding apart from the written law.

 

[canadyjd]

God commanded it and gave no exceptions in the command.

Your wrong and I've shown you many times in scripture where you are wrong.

peace to youraying:

 

[freeatlast]

Your wrong and I've shown you many times in scripture where you are wrong.

peace to youraying:

Well then perhaps your church is spinning its wheels by having teachers teach from the bible. :laugh:

 

[Alcott]

How does "life in prison without parole" fit what you previously stated? ...

Life in prison without parole is a fitting punishment for murder. It protects society from a violent person while giving that person every minute of his/her natural life to repent of sins and come to faith in Christ. That is consistent with the command to show mercy with perfect patience.

You evaded the question. How is life without parole "perfect patience" toward the worst of sinners?

You know what I'm asking... if you claim 'we' [the state] do not have authority to apply the death penalty, then whence do we have any authority to apply "life without parole"-- which actually IS the death penalty with a much slower death?

 

[JesusFan]

How does "life in prison without parole" fit what you previously stated? ...



You evaded the question. How is life without parole "perfect patience" toward the worst of sinners?

You know what I'm asking... if you claim 'we' [the state] do not have authority to apply the death penalty, then whence do we have any authority to apply "life without parole"-- which actually IS the death penalty with a much slower death?

actually, the Bible DOES proscribe the death penalty for First degree murder, but is silent on right to "life in prison"

 

[canadyjd]

How does "life in prison without parole" fit what you previously stated? ...

You evaded the question. How is life without parole "perfect patience" toward the worst of sinners?

You know what I'm asking... if you claim 'we' [the state] do not have authority to apply the death penalty, then whence do we have any authority to apply "life without parole"-- which actually IS the death penalty with a much slower death?

I have not claimed to be part of the "state". I am suprised that you see your allegience as being to the "state" concerning this issue.

I have repeatedly stated that Christians are to follow the command of our Lord Jesus Christ to show mercy with perfect patience. Support for the death penalty is contrary to that command.

You seemed to be saying that life in prison without parole is contrary to showing mercy with perfect patience as well. I do not. A person can have a life long ministry in prison, serving the Lord in the circumstances in which He was saved.

BTW, I have not said the "state" does not have the authority to apply the death penalty, only that Christians should not support it themselves. God often uses evil men to punish other evil men.

Let Christians show mercy with perfect patience which is following the example of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Let the ungodly apply the death penalty.

peace to youraying:

 

[Alcott]

You seemed to be saying that life in prison without parole is contrary to showing mercy with perfect patience as well. I do not.

Okay. The South Africa regime which kept Nelson Mandela in prison for 27 years showed "perfect patience." Or does the fact that he was less than life-without-parole negate that?

BTW, I have not said the "state" does not have the authority to apply the death penalty, only that Christians should not support it themselves.

The Roman-ruled world certainly applied the death penalty... by crucifixion, shoving off a rocky cliff, beheading, the brazen calf [look that one up if you care to], and other methods. Yet Paul told the Christians in Rome to pay their taxes-- SUPPORT financially-- the things Rome did.

God often uses evil men to punish other evil men.

It's not amazing God knows how to kill 2 birds with one stone.

Let Christians show mercy with perfect patience which is following the example of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Which, I suppose, would include chasing crooked money-changers out of the temple with a whip.

Let the ungodly apply the death penalty.

I don't stop them. But I might if they started applying it for not chanting to Allah.

peace to you

Okay.