"The Lord told me . . ."

[1689Dave]

Jesus returning is for Israel and for the gentile nations, as those jews still alive are reborn by Him when they see Him, and the Gentile nations enter under His rule and dominion then!

Jesus is Israel along with those who believe in him. God removed the unbelievers from Israel turning them into gentiles. None can be reattached to Israel except by faith in Christ.

Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world so there will never be a "jewish millennium" in this present world. Nor in the world to come. Because your "millennium" is only 1000 years long, and polluted with sin and violence. The world to come is perfect, eternal and free from sin and death.

 

[John of Japan]

Jesus is Israel along with those who believe in him. God removed the unbelievers from Israel turning them into gentiles. None can be reattached to Israel except by faith in Christ.

You have strayed far, far away from the OP. Poor BB manners.

Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world so there will never be a "jewish millennium" in this present world. Nor in the world to come. Because your "millennium" is only 1000 years long, and polluted with sin and violence. The world to come is perfect, eternal and free from sin and death.

Same old same old. Nothing new here, folks. (Mixing up the Kingdom of God and the Davidic throne.) Move along.

 

[1689Dave]

You have strayed far, far away from the OP. Poor BB manners.


Same old same old. Nothing new here, folks. (Mixing up the Kingdom of God and the Davidic throne.) Move along.

Just being polite. So now you are straying too? "(Mixing up the Kingdom of God and the Davidic throne.)".

 

[John of Japan]

Just being polite. So now you are straying too? "(Mixing up the Kingdom of God and the Davidic throne.)".

Naw, I just couldn't resist one little dig before moving along.

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus is Israel along with those who believe in him. God removed the unbelievers from Israel turning them into gentiles. None can be reattached to Israel except by faith in Christ.

Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world so there will never be a "jewish millennium" in this present world. Nor in the world to come. Because your "millennium" is only 1000 years long, and polluted with sin and violence. The world to come is perfect, eternal and free from sin and death.

Those who live in the Stae of israel who are lost Jews are still Jews! Once saved, they are fulfilled/completed Jews!

 

[Yeshua1]

You have strayed far, far away from the OP. Poor BB manners.


Same old same old. Nothing new here, folks. (Mixing up the Kingdom of God and the Davidic throne.) Move along.

I have never heard that unsaved jews are turned y God into Gentiles? Does that mean we saved gentiles become now Jews?

 

[1689Dave]

Naw, I just couldn't resist one little dig before moving along.

We need a new thread.

 

[1689Dave]

Those who live in the Stae of israel who are lost Jews are still Jews! Once saved, they are fulfilled/completed Jews!

As John pointed out, we are off topic. It would be good to have a new thread on the topic "are the Jews a religion or a race?"

 

[Yeshua1]

As John pointed out, we are off topic. It would be good to have a new thread on the topic "are the Jews a religion or a race?"

Jews are a minority group, Judaism is their religion!

 

[1689Dave]

Jews are a minority group, Judaism is their religion!

Minority group is not a race.

 

[Yeshua1]

Minority group is not a race.

Jews are physicall descendants of Abraham and isaac and Jacob!

 

[1689Dave]

Jews are physicall descendants of Abraham and isaac and Jacob!

So is most of the middle east.

 

[Yeshua1]

So is most of the middle east.

Yes, Arabs and Jews! saved Arabs stay Arabs, correct?

 

[1689Dave]

Yes, Arabs and Jews! saved Arabs stay Arabs, correct?

If you study Abraham's family tree, some amazing facts appear.

If the promise [to Abraham] had been on a racial basis, it must have been fulfilled to many besides the children of Israel. By far the majority of Abraham’s descendants were not Israelites. Ishmael himself was in the covenant until expelled, but he had at that time no child. Later proceeded from him:

“Nebaioth and Kedar and Abdeel and Mibsam and Mishnah, and Duma and Massa, Hadad and Tema, Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah — all these are the sons if Ishmael. (Gen. 25:13)

The sons of [wife] Keturah also were numerous: They were “Zimran and Jokshan and Medan and Midian and Ishbak and Shuah.” (Gen. 25:2)

Although there were fourteen dukes, or chiefs, of Edom, (Gen. 36:15-19) let us count the Edomites as but one nation. Then we have twenty tribal groups, all of which were equally the descendants of Abraham after the flesh, but only one of which, the children of Israel, were in covenant with God and were “The Seed of Abraham” in the covenant sense.

Albertus Pieters. The Seed of Abraham.

Think of it this way, the Semites = all in the middle east descending from Shem and through Abraham. Thus shemites or semites. “Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah, Eber, Peleg, Reu, Serug, Nahor, Terah, Abram; the same is Abraham. The sons of Abraham; Isaac, and Ishmael.” (1 Chronicles 1:24–28)

 

[Yeshua1]

If you study Abraham's family tree, some amazing facts appear.

If the promise [to Abraham] had been on a racial basis, it must have been fulfilled to many besides the children of Israel. By far the majority of Abraham’s descendants were not Israelites. Ishmael himself was in the covenant until expelled, but he had at that time no child. Later proceeded from him:

“Nebaioth and Kedar and Abdeel and Mibsam and Mishnah, and Duma and Massa, Hadad and Tema, Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah — all these are the sons if Ishmael. (Gen. 25:13)

The sons of [wife] Keturah also were numerous: They were “Zimran and Jokshan and Medan and Midian and Ishbak and Shuah.” (Gen. 25:2)

Although there were fourteen dukes, or chiefs, of Edom, (Gen. 36:15-19) let us count the Edomites as but one nation. Then we have twenty tribal groups, all of which were equally the descendants of Abraham after the flesh, but only one of which, the children of Israel, were in covenant with God and were “The Seed of Abraham” in the covenant sense.

Albertus Pieters. The Seed of Abraham.

Think of it this way, the Semites = all in the middle east descending from Shem and through Abraham. Thus shemites or semites. “Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah, Eber, Peleg, Reu, Serug, Nahor, Terah, Abram; the same is Abraham. The sons of Abraham; Isaac, and Ishmael.” (1 Chronicles 1:24–28)

God promised to the saved Jews spiritual blessings, but He did not undo the Jewish people themselves, did not convert all of them to being gentiles after AD 70!

 

[1689Dave]

God promised to the saved Jews spiritual blessings, but He did not undo the Jewish people themselves, did not convert all of them to being gentiles after AD 70!

The Jews began as a family in Abraham, and a religion based on faith in the promise God made to Abraham. At the time Abraham's only relative was Ishmael. But over 300 foreigners in his army and their families were his covenant seed too, along with Ishmael, through circumcision. If any, including blood relatives were not circumcised, they were not Abraham's covenant seed.

So when God abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one Abraham's covenant seed. Jesus is the seed God promised through Isaac. And later through Jacob. Since Jesus was the seed to whom all the promises apply, only those who accept Christ are Abraham's seed and belong to Israel.

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20)

Consider Romans 11

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:” (Romans 11:20)

“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:23)

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36)

 

[Yeshua1]

The Jews began as a family in Abraham, and a religion based on faith in the promise God made to Abraham. At the time Abraham's only relative was Ishmael. But over 300 foreigners in his army and their families were his covenant seed too, along with Ishmael, through circumcision. If any, including blood relatives were not circumcised, they were not Abraham's covenant seed.

So when God abolished circumcision, nothing remained to make one Abraham's covenant seed. Jesus is the seed God promised through Isaac. And later through Jacob. Since Jesus was the seed to whom all the promises apply, only those who accept Christ are Abraham's seed and belong to Israel.

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20)

Consider Romans 11

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:” (Romans 11:20)

“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Romans 11:23)

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36)

Physical Jews are genetically ones from hereditary, spiritual Jews would be physical ones who received jesus as their messiah

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Except for calling testimony "revelation," I think you are on target.

Thank you. I'm sorry I took so long to get back with you, but I have little down time in the last few days. I see I wandered into waters over my head when I used the word "revelation." I say that because after looking at this website:

ἀποκάλυψις | billmounce.com

I now see that 1 Corinthians 14:6 and 14:26 indicate that the word apokalypsis in the NT means something very specific that I do not understand. It has to be if revelation, knowledge, prophecy, and interpretation are all distinct and separate.

Thank you again. I must say that I used revelation in the English sense of information of any type communicated to a human being from a supernatural entity. The problem with this is that it is not a biblical usage. A better word may the phrase "God communicates." I see now He is not silent, instead though, the Charismatics had poisoned me to the truth of when He does communicate in some way. I see now how special a Calling is.

I will go study the cases of those who God communicated with. It's time to dive into testimonies it seems and Perpetua's story is also high on my list to read.

 

[1689Dave]

Physical Jews are genetically ones from hereditary, spiritual Jews would be physical ones who received jesus as their messiah

Judaism (Jews) = religion, not race. Judaism abolished by Christ = gentiles who think Jesus was a phony and exist solely because they hate and reject him. Those who accepted him (thousands on the day of Pentecost alone) acclimated into Christendom. Which is Biblical Israel under Christ.

 

[Yeshua1]

Judaism (Jews) = religion, not race. Judaism abolished by Christ = gentiles who think Jesus was a phony and exist solely because they hate and reject him. Those who accepted him (thousands on the day of Pentecost alone) acclimated into Christendom. Which is Biblical Israel under Christ.

So jews were jews before jesus came, and after He came, now the lost ones are gentiles?