The main complaints - against...

[Van]

How does God get that grace of the death of Christ applied towards sinners though?

How do spiriually dead sinners believe unto him, when their very natures are to hate.despise.run away and hide?

bible states NONE are right with God, ALL gone astry, so how does God apply his grace towards them while they are in a state that contiunually refuses Him?

This is all Calvinists do, repeat and repeat Calvinist dogma without a shred of support from scripture.

Does "receive the reconciliation" ring a bell. Does God putting an individual spiritually in Christ ring a bell? Were the men of Matthew 23:13 "hating, despising, running away from, hiding, or continually refusing Him" or were they "entering heaven." Repeating this false assertion over and over and ignoring the rebuttal over and over is the only behavior Calvinism allows.

Is the issue that all have fallen short of the glory of God? Nope. The issue is the false claim that being fallen precludes setting our minds on some spiritual things, spiritual milk. 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 clearly teaches men of flesh can understand spiritual milk. Therefore Calvinism is mistaken doctrine. No rebuttal will be forthcoming.

 

[BobRyan]

How does God get that grace of the death of Christ applied towards sinners though?

How do spiriually dead sinners believe unto him, when their very natures are to hate.despise.run away and hide?

bible states NONE are right with God, ALL gone astry, so how does God apply his grace towards them while they are in a state that contiunually refuses Him?

The whole point of Grace to the lost is that it convicts the lost of their need "Convicts the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16 - without that work of God - they would never choose the Gospel.

in Christ

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I agree, when John refers to "world" i.e. the kosmos of mankind, any part of that group or system might be affected. However, the term encompasses all mankind, rather than just the elect or just the fallen.

Indeed "not for OUR SINS only but for the sins of the whole world" - contrasting the elect - with the entire world.

And in John 1 Christ "Made the world" and in John 3 "God so LOVED the WORLD".

in Christ,

Bob