The Making of a Fuehrer

[carpro]

People who call the President "Hitler or the Fuhrer" have absolutely no idea about history. Hitler didn't deal with discussions in elected parliaments. he seized his power in the streets through bloodshed.

Your complete ignorance of history is appalling.

 

[carpro]

Yes, it does.

http://www.baptistboard.com/archive/index.php/t-57442.html (scroll to post dated 02-12-2009, 10:21 PM)

The parallels are astounding.

It's almost as if Hitler wrote Obama's strategy manual.

 

[Carico]

You sure you are not joined at the hip with "whoever". Bush is no longer in DC but DT. Rush just talks.

Remember, Jesus was and still is the most hated person on earth. People murdered him, change his words, curse his name, and call him a liar.

Bush and Churchill were also hated because they had the courage to stand up to their enemies and call evil evil. Both Hitler and Obama call evil good.

 

[just-want-peace]

Dang it, j-w-p, now you've done gone and said the "B" word! Now we'll have to listen to alatide blow a gasket, until he's distracted on another thread by another Bush comment...

As my 5 YO grandson would say - "SOWWEY":smilewinkgrin::love2:

(De Debbil made me do it!!!:1_grouphug: )

 

[just-want-peace]

It's funny to read.

The vast majority of US people is against any " socialist " concept, so marxist i guess even more.

I understand the socialism or let's say communism, are scaring concepts for a very liberal (in terms of economy) and capitalistic country. It's not your culture, that's all, and it's been told so many times that " welfare state is bad " that most learned their lesson carefully and feel it like part of their identity. The example of USSR was a sad example of application of " communism ", like it is in China, North Korea or Cuba. It doesn't seem to work.

I respect this, that's part of why we're debating here, to confront our ideas, and sometimes mitigate what we thought to be the only possible concept in economics or politics. I learn much here about how things work over there, and to be honest, i envy some concepts or political ideas i'd like to have applied here, but not everything. No nation, nor country has all the cards, or knows better in everything than all the other. Maybe there're things done in some other countries that do work. Why don't you give it a try, like your president seems to do ? I've read an article about the fact USA where much less unilateral, but much more multilateral than they ever were with the other nations. That's great.

You're a nation that has nothing to do with marxism or socialism, and it'll not happen, because you're so much opposed to " welfare " things, to the " Feds ", and so on ... so stop using the Coué method, by repeating yourselves " We're becoming a socialist country, We're becoming a socialist country, We're becoming a socialist country .... ". Maybe at the end, and by reading articles that comfort you in that direction, you'll end up truly believing it. But that's not because you'll believe it that it'll be the truth. It's so so so far from it, believe me. Maybe you can claim you don't want more " welfare state " or " state interventionism ", but " socialism " or " marxism " are not adequate words.

To come back to the thread, your president doesn't deserve comparisons to Hitler. He was elected by let's say, half the people, and even if a part in the opposing half will always find bad anything he'll do, i don't think it's possible for him to go in such a way as it was mentioned, in dictatorship.

Take some distance please.

As stated earlier, read "Hitler's Cross" by Erwin Lutzer!!!

Perhaps that will better explain the concern over here.

I read this book several years ago and commented to my wife that we were very close (socially/politically/religiously) to what Germany was in the late '20's- early '30's.

Fast forward to today, and we're much, much closer, and the present administration is just tracking Germany's history!! If this country does not wake up REAL QUICK, we're doomed to a similar fate no matter what party is "in charge"!

 

[HankD]

To keep it fair, we don't know if Obama was stretching his neck and the photographer snapped it in this state, or if he was looking up, etc. We can make any picture say what we want it to say.
*disclaimer* I am not a fan nor a supporter of his policies.

He is getting ready to sneeze.

HankD

 

[HankD]

I don't see the widespread "worship" of President Obama that some conservatives claim to exist. Sure, there may be some on the Left that could be said to feel that way, just as there may have been some on the Right that put George W. Bush on a pedestal during his presidency, just as some on the Right may even to this day put Ronald Reagan on a pedestal.

But widespread among the populace on 10/12/09 - no, I don't see that at all. If anything is widespread, I think that it is that President Obama is held in much lower regard today than he was on inauguration day less than 9 months ago.

Hi Ken,

Among the national newscasters there is something close to that adoration.

In another thread it was shown where Chris Matthews "felt a thrill going up his leg" when Obama spoke, he cried over another speech and likened him to Jesus Christ in yet another.

HankD

 

[OldRegular]

Remember, Jesus was and still is the most hated person on earth. People murdered him, change his words, curse his name, and call him a liar.

Bush and Churchill were also hated because they had the courage to stand up to their enemies and call evil evil. Both Hitler and Obama call evil good.

You don't have to convince me. Obama will attempt to use his deliberate mismanagement of the economy to seize more power for the Federal Government. In the meantime small children are taught to sing his praises! Sounds like Adolph or the little fat guy from North Korea, I believe his name is "dear leader".

 

[alatide]

Remember, Jesus was and still is the most hated person on earth. People murdered him, change his words, curse his name, and call him a liar.

Bush and Churchill were also hated because they had the courage to stand up to their enemies and call evil evil. Both Hitler and Obama call evil good.

So you're claiming that getting the US to provide a minimum amount of medical coverage to our people like all other civilized countries is "evil" but invading Iraq and Afghanistan for no good reason is "good?"

Very faulty logic, I'd say.

 

[carpro]

So you're claiming that getting the US to provide a minimum amount of medical coverage to our people like all other civilized countries is "evil" but invading Iraq and Afghanistan for no good reason is "good?"

Very faulty logic, I'd say.

If you insist on trolling here, try to stay on topic.

But, then that's what trolls do . Change the subject.

So go away, troll.

 

[rbell]

invading Iraq and Afghanistan for no good reason is "good?"

Very faulty logic, I'd say.

If you think there was no reason to invade Afghanistan, you need some help. Seriously.

 

[Spear]

So you're claiming that getting the US to provide a minimum amount of medical coverage to our people like all other civilized countries is "evil" but invading Iraq and Afghanistan for no good reason is "good?"

Very faulty logic, I'd say.

We did not invade Afghanistan. We helped put down the talibans who were overwhelming a country, mostly divided in tribes, producing 95 % or more of the world Opium. Where would it go under taliban rules ? What would it finance ? Another 9/11 ?

Maybe we have it hard over there, but we're there for good and preventive reasons.

 

[alatide]

We did not invade Afghanistan. We helped put down the talibans who were overwhelming a country, mostly divided in tribes, producing 95 % or more of the world Opium. Where would it go under taliban rules ? What would it finance ? Another 9/11 ?

Maybe we have it hard over there, but we're there for good and preventive reasons.

When we send soldiers, vehicles, planes, into a country how can you not call it an invasion? Who in Afghanistan asked us to come ionto their country? If China did the same to us would you consider it an invasion? Why or why not?

 

[Dragoon68]

The assumption that precedes the statement and question is that all nations are created equal. The problem is they aren't.

 

[alatide]

The assumption that precedes the statement and question is that all nations are created equal. The problem is they aren't.

An invasion is sending troops into another country that did not request them. Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Hmmm....

Would you say then, that you INVADED the Baptist Board ? Not only were you not invited, you have been twice shown the door. Seems like an apt analogy.

BTW, and Off-topic, did you know Joe Kennedy (Ted's daddy) had to give up his ambassadorship because of his NAZI ties ? Seems like you bring up Bush's ancestors enough, just an FYI fey ya, and it's free, to boot !!!!

 

[Nonsequitur]

Hmmm....

Would you say then, that you INVADED the Baptist Board ? Not only were you not invited, you have been twice shown the door. Seems like an apt analogy.

BTW, and Off-topic, did you know Joe Kennedy (Ted's daddy) had to give up his ambassadorship because of his NAZI ties ? Seems like you bring up Bush's ancestors enough, just an FYI fey ya, and it's free, to boot !!!!

No, NO, NOOO. How many times do I have to suggest it?
PLEASE, do NOT confuse the liberals/Anti-Americans with the FACTS?

 

[alatide]

Hmmm....

Would you say then, that you INVADED the Baptist Board ? Not only were you not invited, you have been twice shown the door. Seems like an apt analogy.

BTW, and Off-topic, did you know Joe Kennedy (Ted's daddy) had to give up his ambassadorship because of his NAZI ties ? Seems like you bring up Bush's ancestors enough, just an FYI fey ya, and it's free, to boot !!!!

Off topic as usual.

 

[Nonsequitur]

Off topic as usual.

See what I mean B.C.?
Now, not only is she confused about the topic, she is also confused about the year it happenened.
(Sigh) O.K. I will now leave for a couple of days so you brave liberals can come up with a daring reply.
Cod-brains.

 

[Dragoon68]

A not to distant example of an invasion was in 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Another was when North Vietnam invaded South Vietnam.

Another was when Japan invaded just about every nation in Asia.

Another was when Germany invaded just about every nation in Europe.

Those were invasions.