The Mediatorial Kingdom

[David Kent]

The mediatorial kingdom is defined as

1. the rule of God,

2. through a divinely chosen representative,

3. who not only speaks and acts to the people for God,

4. and also speaks and acts for the people to God,

5. its mediatorial ruler is always a member of the human race.

The Mediatorial rulers would include:

Moses

Joshua

Samuel

The Judges

The Monarchial Mediatorial rulers were:

Saul

David

Solomon

The Kings of Judah

Ending with the Babylonian Captivity which began the Times of the Gentiles.

The Mediatorial Kingdom of Christ:

During His earthly ministry. 5BC - 31AD

During His return and the consummation of the ages. (TBD)

I cannot agree with that, are you saying that God didn't rule over his people during the captivities? of course he did. He did then and he did now and he always will.

• 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Always was, is now and always will be,

 

[TCassidy]

I cannot agree with that,

Surprise, surprise.

are you saying that God didn't rule over his people during the captivities?

No. I didn't say that. I said what I said.

of course he did.

We all know that.

He did then and he did now and he always will.

Yes, we all know that too.

Always was, is now and always will be,

Yes. We know.

The Universal kingdom of God and the Mediatorial kingdom are two very different things. The former is what has always existed; is universal in scope, outside of which is no created thing; involves the rule of God directly, with no intermediary standing between God and man; is a present reality; and is an unconditioned rule, arising out of the sovereign nature of God Himself.

In contrast, the Mediatorial kingdom, in its final form, must come to put down all sin and rebellion, finally bringing the Kingdom and will of God on earth as it is in heaven. ... The King of this kingdom is the Lord Jesus, the Son of David; the subjects of it are Israel and the nations ... the center of the kingdom is Jerusalem, and the means of its establishment are the coming and visible appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[TCassidy]

You explicitly exclude the present Gospel age, implying Christ is not our mediator; not the mediator for redeemed sinners.

No, I don't. I didn't claim to list every detail and aspect of the Mediatorial Kingdom. Check Matthew 4:17 and 16:21 for starters. Failure to see the change contained in those verses will lead the reader into serious misunderstanding and confusion.

Where does Scripture say there was no mediator between the exile & the incarnation?

Where did I say there was no mediator between the exile and incarnation. I said there was no man, no human, mediator.

Where does Scripture say the glorified Lord Jesus Christ is presently disqualified as a Mediator?

Where did I say the glorified Lord Jesus Christ was presently disqualified as a Mediator?

 

[David Kent]

God has only one kingdom

 

[agedman]

God has only one kingdom

Is your statement that “God has only one kingdom” inclusive of all kingdoms, in which would include such kingdoms as Christ referred His kingdom was not a part, or is it stating that there are no other kingdoms in existence at all?

 

[TCassidy]

I tend to believe he posted without thinking. If God only has one Kingdom then either God's Universal Kingdom, wherein he rules over all of Creation, either does not exist, or ceased to exist when Christ came as King of kings and Lord of lords and rules over the Kingdom of God on Earth (Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven).

 

[agedman]

I tend to believe he posted without thinking. If God only has one Kingdom then either God's Universal Kingdom, wherein he rules over all of Creation, either does not exist, or ceased to exist when Christ came as King of kings and Lord of lords and rules over the Kingdom of God on Earth (Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven).

If for no other text of Scripture, this one phrase (“Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”) sets in concrete that need for fulfillment of a literal millennial reign.

Such is set in motion at the opening of that seventh seal.

 

[David Kent]

I tend to believe he posted without thinking. If God only has one Kingdom then either God's Universal Kingdom, wherein he rules over all of Creation, either does not exist, or ceased to exist when Christ came as King of kings and Lord of lords and rules over the Kingdom of God on Earth (Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven).

I probably did.

 

[agedman]

As a mediator in both severely wounded assemblies and in homes, I have yet to discover a correlation of the mediator and some kingdom.

Christ serves as the mediator between God and man, but is that related to ownership, or to position-ship?

During the millennial reign, does Christ rule as a mediator or dictator?

Are believers ever serving as mediators?


Just a few random questions.

 

[prophecy70]

If for no other text of Scripture, this one phrase (“Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”) sets in concrete that need for fulfillment of a literal millennial reign.

Must be everyone who does not believe in the future Millennial reign skipped over this verse in the bible then.

I don't see how "Thy kingdom come" sets anything for a literal millennial reign sitting on a earthy throne.

 

[agedman]

Must be everyone who does not believe in the future Millennial reign skipped over this verse in the bible then.

I don't see how "Thy kingdom come" sets anything for a literal millennial reign sitting on a earthy throne.

Two questions:

1) When would the kingdom of God be established on the earth? It hasn't yet.

2) When would the will of God be done on the earth as it is in heaven? It hasn't yet.​

The point being, that until the millennial reign, evil runs rampant upon the earth, and Christ's kingdom is "not of this world" made of the world order, the world thinking, the world way of social structure, political structure, living... The millennial reign resolves such issues.

The point being that until the millennial reign, the will of God is NOT done on the earth as it is in heaven, but humankind devise evil and thrive. The ungodly rejoice in not only doing evil themselves but that others join and make the evil ever more perverse.

Nothing of that sort occurs in Heaven, but will most certainly occur in the millennial reign.

So neither the kingdom nor the will has come.

But the prayer indicates that such is a future occurrence, just as John indicates in the Revelation.

 

[Covenanter]

Two questions:

1) When would the kingdom of God be established on the earth? It hasn't yet.

2) When would the will of God be done on the earth as it is in heaven? It hasn't yet.​

The point being, that until the millennial reign, evil runs rampant upon the earth, and Christ's kingdom is "not of this world" made of the world order, the world thinking, the world way of social structure, political structure, living... The millennial reign resolves such issues.

The point being that until the millennial reign, the will of God is NOT done on the earth as it is in heaven, but humankind devise evil and thrive. The ungodly rejoice in not only doing evil themselves but that others join and make the evil ever more perverse.

Nothing of that sort occurs in Heaven, but will most certainly occur in the millennial reign.

So neither the kingdom nor the will has come.

But the prayer indicates that such is a future occurrence, just as John indicates in the Revelation.

That will only happen in the NH&NE which Jesus will implement when he returns in glory for resurrection & judgment. The supposed millennium ends with a world-wide rebellion - it's the souls of the martyrs who live & reign with Christ for 1,000 years - the present Gospel age. It's not a bodily resurrection.

 

[agedman]

That will only happen in the NH&NE which Jesus will implement when he returns in glory for resurrection & judgment. The supposed millennium ends with a world-wide rebellion - it's the souls of the martyrs who live & reign with Christ for 1,000 years - the present Gospel age. It's not a bodily resurrection.

Nope,

Such thinking is just not found ANYWHERE in the Scriptures.

And more:

Such thinking is totally inconsistent with the statements of both the OT prophets and that presented by John in the Revelation.

 

[agedman]

That will only happen in the NH&NE which Jesus will implement when he returns in glory for resurrection & judgment. The supposed millennium ends with a world-wide rebellion - it's the souls of the martyrs who live & reign with Christ for 1,000 years - the present Gospel age. It's not a bodily resurrection.

So, martyrs of today, also live a thousand years "in the present Gospel age?" What if there isn't another thousand years?

What about a year from now, does the thousand years start over?

What about those under that altar who are given robes, is their time up, if not when did it start, if it hasn't started what is the delay, ...?


See how really poor such a theology is based upon?

 

[prophecy70]

So, martyrs of today, also live a thousand years "in the present Gospel age?" What if there isn't another thousand years?

What about a year from now, does the thousand years start over?

What about those under that altar who are given robes, is their time up, if not when did it start, if it hasn't started what is the delay, ...?


See how really poor such a theology is based upon?

I have not heard anything great that your theology is based upon, expect the phrase "thy kingdom come"

You do not believe the Souls of the Martyrs are reigning today?
And they are waiting to reign on earth?

Such thinking is just not found ANYWHERE in the Scriptures.

Find me a verse, other then in Revelation about a reigning of saints during a future millennium.

And then use Revelation to prove to me, Christ is reigning on earth during the "Millennium".

 

[prophecy70]

The point being that until the millennial reign, the will of God is NOT done on the earth as it is in heaven, but humankind devise evil and thrive. The ungodly rejoice in not only doing evil themselves but that others join and make the evil ever more perverse.

The way I see it is, "Thy Kingdom come" Is praying from the spread of Christs kingdom to everyone on earth. It comes without observation.

 

[agedman]

I have not heard anything great that your theology is based upon, expect the phrase "thy kingdom come"

You do not believe the Souls of the Martyrs are reigning today?
And they are waiting to reign on earth?



Find me a verse, other then in Revelation about a reigning of saints during a future millennium.

And then use Revelation to prove to me, Christ is reigning on earth during the "Millennium".

Why should I, when you don't believe what is actually written in the Revelation?

 

[agedman]

The way I see it is, "Thy Kingdom come" Is praying from the spread of Christs kingdom to everyone on earth. It comes without observation.

Yep, "The way I see it" places the Scriptures as subservient to your view.

What else do you assign to your view rather than what the Scriptures actually state?

 

[prophecy70]

Yep, "The way I see it" places the Scriptures as subservient to your view.

What else do you assign to your view rather than what the Scriptures actually state?

Show me what the scripture says about "thy kingdom come".

 

[prophecy70]

Why should I, when you don't believe what is actually written in the Revelation?

Stop making false accusations saying I do not believe the bible. Shame on you!

Is that all you can resort to to prove your point?