The Mediatorial Kingdom

[TCassidy]

And then find me the Contextual support of a Physical Literal Millennium where Christ sits on an earthy throne reigning with a million souls.

You want one verse of scripture that does all that? (Well, except that last part. I think you just made that up. "Reigning with a million souls?"

You want a literal millennium. Start with Revelation 20.

Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
2 He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.
4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5 The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

But you will reject all of that because it completely destroys your theory of last things.

And because you reject it out of hand any further discussion will be fruitless.

 

[prophecy70]

You want one verse of scripture that does all that? (Well, except that last part. I think you just made that up. "Reigning with a million souls?"

You want a literal millennium. Start with Revelation 20.

Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
2 He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.
4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5 The rest of the dead didn’t live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

But you will reject all of that because it completely destroys your theory of last things.

And because you reject it out of hand any further discussion will be fruitless.

Seriously why is that literal when the 144,000 sealed are not?

Where do you draw the symbolic line from a book full of symbols?

Not arguing. Asking a valid question.

 

[TCassidy]

Seriously why is that literal when the 144,000 sealed are not?

Who says its not?

Where do you draw the symbolic line from a book full of symbols?

I believe metaphors are literal metaphors, and figures of speech are literal figures of speech.

What I don't do is read "horse" and say its a cow!

 

[TCassidy]

Okay, let's get back on topic. This is about the Mediatorial Kingdom, not the Millennium.

 

[prophecy70]

Who says its not?

I believe metaphors are literal metaphors, and figures of speech are literal figures of speech.

What I don't do is read "horse" and say its a cow!

Alright fair enough, if that's how you see it.

Alright I won't derail.

 

[Covenanter]

Okay, let's get back on topic. This is about the Mediatorial Kingdom, not the Millennium.

I understand from your posts that the next Mediatorial Kingdom will be the millennium:

"The Mediatorial Kingdom ended when the times of the Gentiles began (the Babylonian Captivity). It reappeared for a very short time during the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ (the Kingdom was present with the Presence of the King), but ended again at the Ascension. It will return to earth with the return of the Lord to establish His Kingdom of God on Earth."

The Mediatorial Kingdom of Christ:

During His earthly ministry. 5BC - 31AD

During His return and the consummation of the ages. (TBD)

Or do you mean the final state - the NH&NE - presumable after the millennium?

As I do not believe in a future millennium, I believe the present age is a Mediatorial Kingdom.

 

[Covenanter]

Okay, let's get back on topic. This is about the Mediatorial Kingdom, not the Millennium.

BUT -

I understand from your posts that the next Mediatorial Kingdom will be the millennium:

@TCassidy I've reread the whole thread with particular references to your posts.

I can see no Scriptural support for the concept of a Mediatorial Kingdom ruled by -

"5. its mediatorial ruler is always a member of the human race."

but excluding the present Gospel age:

The Mediatorial Kingdom of Christ:
During His earthly ministry. 5BC - 31AD
During His return and the consummation of the ages. (TBD)

Are you thereby teaching that the Lord Jesus Christ is not presently a member of the human race, i.e. is not perfect God & perfect man in one, perfect being, one person? Whatever happened to the hypostatic union?

What John said against partial preterism applies against the way TC is teaching the MK -

In answer to this heresy, the council's phraseology was that Christ was 100% God and 100% Man, with neither being subordinate. This is called the hypostatic union.

Note the present tense in this Scripture & others concerning Christ's office as mediator:

1 Tim. 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

Heb. 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
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24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;​

I submit that the way you are teaching the doctrine of the MK is in serious error, violating the Scriptural doctrine of the person of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The way the MK is presented is an invented doctrine (Ecc. 7:29) attempting to support a future millennial MK.

 

[Covenanter]

Okay, let's get back on topic. This is about the Mediatorial Kingdom, not the Millennium.

I look forward to your further replies & contributions.

 

[Covenanter]

"The Mediatorial Kingdom ended when the times of the Gentiles began (the Babylonian Captivity). It reappeared for a very short time during the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ (the Kingdom was present with the Presence of the King), but ended again at the Ascension. It will return to earth with the return of the Lord to establish His Kingdom of God on Earth."

You introduce a new doctrine that is is a novelty even to lifetime Bible readers, a doctrine that excludes the present Gospel age of our Saviour & Mediator, King Jesus.

Now you say, on another thread:

"If it's new it's not true and if it's true it's not new."