The much longed-for Abortion thread

[BobRyan]

Do you think abortion is a sin? That's not a hard question is it?

A sin we cannot get the Catholic judges on the Supreme court to vote against - because if they did we would not have this problem. (As you have been told about a dozen times by now -)

BTW - your comment is actually on-topic here. Right where it belongs. Thanks for doing that here.

 

[HankD]

A sin we cannot get the Catholic judges on the Supreme court to vote against - because if they did we would not have this problem. (As you have been told about a dozen times by now -)

Then the SDA church should lead by example and forbid abortions like Catholic hospitals.

HankD

 

[BobRyan]

Then the SDA church

The SDA church has no pastors leading/conducting/setting policy for hospitals on abortion that I know of ---

However if the Catholic church could "lead by example" simply getting six of its Catholic judges to vote "no" on abortion on our U.S. Supreme court -- we would not even have this problem. No amount of chasing me around Baptist Board will change the state of abortion in America - but actually getting those six Catholics to change their vote .. would do it.

Also getting the Catholics in the U.S. Senate and Congress to vote against Abortion - would also do it "via the other branch of government that they control". They have two ways to do it .. BUT the one way that gets you nothing at all - is chasing me around the BaptistBoard. I already vote against it.

At what point does common sense start to appear to be "the better way to do things"??

 

[Salty]

The SDA church has no pastors leading/conducting/setting policy for hospitals on abortion that I know of ---

However if the Catholic church could "lead by example" simply getting six of its Catholic judges to vote "no" on abortion on our U.S. Supreme court -- we would not even have this problem. No amount of chasing me around Baptist Board will change the state of abortion in America - but actually getting those six Catholics to change their vote .. would do it.

Also getting the Catholics in the U.S. Senate and Congress to vote against Abortion - would also do it "via the other branch of government that they control". They have two ways to do it .. BUT the one way that gets you nothing at all - is chasing me around the BaptistBoard. I already vote against it.

At what point does common sense start to appear to be "the better way to do things"??

The RCC does NOT control the Supreme Court
But I'm sure the 7DA would have some control over the hospitals.

 

[HankD]

The SDA church has no pastors leading/conducting/setting policy for hospitals on abortion that I know of ---

However if the Catholic church could "lead by example" simply getting six of its Catholic judges to vote "no" on abortion on our U.S. Supreme court -- we would not even have this problem. No amount of chasing me around Baptist Board will change the state of abortion in America - but actually getting those six Catholics to change their vote .. would do it.

Also getting the Catholics in the U.S. Senate and Congress to vote against Abortion - would also do it "via the other branch of government that they control". They have two ways to do it .. BUT the one way that gets you nothing at all - is chasing me around the BaptistBoard. I already vote against it.

At what point does common sense start to appear to be "the better way to do things"??

OK Trump and Pence have committed to rescinding Roe versus Wade.

https://www.thecut.com/2016/07/mike-pence-says-roe-v-wade-will-be-overturned.html

some on the left will fight it all the way.

The SDA hospitals should refuse a woman's choice to abort her baby.

HankD

 

[utilyan]

A sin we cannot get the Catholic judges on the Supreme court to vote against - because if they did we would not have this problem. (As you have been told about a dozen times by now -)

BTW - your comment is actually on-topic here. Right where it belongs. Thanks for doing that here.

I'm only asking you is abortion a sin?

Whats keeping you from saying saying "yes"?

 

[utilyan]

The SDA church has no pastors leading/conducting/setting policy for hospitals on abortion that I know of ---

However if the Catholic church could "lead by example" simply getting six of its Catholic judges to vote "no" on abortion on our U.S. Supreme court -- we would not even have this problem. No amount of chasing me around Baptist Board will change the state of abortion in America - but actually getting those six Catholics to change their vote .. would do it.

Also getting the Catholics in the U.S. Senate and Congress to vote against Abortion - would also do it "via the other branch of government that they control". They have two ways to do it .. BUT the one way that gets you nothing at all - is chasing me around the BaptistBoard. I already vote against it.

At what point does common sense start to appear to be "the better way to do things"??

You don't know our Faith, Anyone who commits a mortal sin is automatically excommunicated.

Anyone supporting abortion in anyway is excommunicated.


"The SDA church has no pastors leading/conducting/setting policy for hospitals on abortion that I know of ---"


The SDA CHURCH is OFFICIALLY PRO-ABORTION.

Here is link to the OFFICIAL SDA WEBSITE:


https://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/0/abortion/


These guidelines were approved and voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council session in Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.


Its pretty straight forward black and white.

Find one line that says abortion is a sin or murder of children.


Instead you will see:

1) Prenatal human life is a magnificent gift of God. God's ideal for human beings affirms the sanctity of human life, in God's image, and requires respect for prenatal life. However, decisions about life must be made in the context of a fallen world. Abortion is never an action of little moral consequence. Thus prenatal life must not be thoughtlessly destroyed. Abortion should be performed only for the most serious reasons.



"decisions about life must be made in the context of a fallen world."



6) Church institutions should be provided with guidelines for developing their own institutional policies in harmony with this statement. Persons having a religious or ethical objection to abortion should not be required to participate in the performance of abortions.


^great news If you work in a SDA hospital your not required to participate in abortions.

Who is a person having a religious or ethical objection to abortion?




The way abortion is sugar coated is astonishing:

4) Valuable as it is, human life is not the only or ultimate concern. Self-sacrifice in devotion to God and His principles may take precedence over life itself (Revelation 12:11; 1 Corinthians 13).

^They are talking about a innocent unborn child's life.



Good News is steam is picking up and there are SDA trying to bring awareness to the rest.

 

[Adonia]

You rationalize Adventist hospitals providing abortion to women who ask for it stating: ' Adventists hospitals are not run by. SDA pastors. Well, cultural Catholic( Catholic in name only in name only ) politicians do not make Catholic Church doctrine (which officially takes the biblical view) of being solidly anti-abortion. Your official SDA website makes it clear your SDA is pro-choice (pro-abortion. That is EViL, Bob. An EVIL you refuse to condemn. Time to face the facts that while your SDA doctors are hacking up and murdering babies in the womb in Adventist hospitals today, you will still agree with that choice, even though those same hospital refuse to serve porkEven your SDA founders condemned abortion and called it for what it is. Your spineless leadership which is put in place by your. Read your OFFICIAL CHURCH WEBSITE UNTIL IT SINKS IN, BOB. YOU BEONG TO A CHURCH THAT CONDONES AND PRACTICES BABY MURDER. IF YOU ARE AGAINST ABORTION; DO SOMETHING ABOUT. 'When I was attending 'Cal Baptist College (now university) the Loma Linda profs were teaching evolution in the biology classes. I remember YOU stopped posting on the BB did something to try to stop that from being taught. Why no uproar against a church that has become pro-choice;
Do I really need to quote the Official SDA website that says the ultimate decision on whether.to kill babies rest with the mother of the child.

Oh, I know! I am just being emotional about SDA hospitals that you want us to believe have no connection with the SDA church.

My wife is in a SDA hospital and I went to the cafeteria for breakfast. Guess what, no pork sausage is allowed. Good grief, what is going on here? Considering their stance on abortion, you would think that they would be leaving the choice of what type of breakfast meat to eat to the individual too..

 

[steaver]

I did not say that on this thread - but I have pointed this out in the past - it is not an action of the church nor even the clergy what "some hospital administrator" decided to do. But that fact will not solve the issue of abortion in America. To "solve" it we would need all the Catholic justices on SCOTUS to simply "vote against abortion".

Getting all the Adventists on SCOTUS to do that would not solve anything.

You are asking of the Catholic church the same thing you should be asking of your own SDA church. Your SDA church could stop abortions in any hospital bearing the name SDA at any time they wanted to. You are basically saying "well it is legal bc of the Catholics, so we SDA are going to allow it". Ironic, the SDA is following the Catholic's Supreme Court decision.

 

[BobRyan]

OK Trump and Pence have committed to rescinding Roe versus Wade.

https://www.thecut.com/2016/07/mike-pence-says-roe-v-wade-will-be-overturned.html

Nice -- now if only the 6 Catholic Judges on the Supreme Court would all agree not to block that effort -- would all agree to vote against abortion.

 

[Salty]

Nice -- now if only the 6 Catholic Judges on the Supreme Court would all agree not to block that effort -- would all agree to vote against abortion.

Now if the SDA hospitals would agree not to perform abortions.....

 

[HankD]

Nice -- now if only the 6 Catholic Judges on the Supreme Court would all agree not to block that effort -- would all agree to vote against abortion.

Exodus 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil...

HankD

 

[BobRyan]

Exodus 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil...

HankD

Nice -- now if only the 6 Catholic Judges on the Supreme Court would all agree not to block that effort -- would all agree to vote against abortion.-- we would not have the problem with Abortion in the U.S. ... chasing me around on that point - gets you nowhere since I already vote against it, and my vote does not change the state of abortion in the nation.

Details matter.

 

[HankD]

Nice -- now if only the 6 Catholic Judges on the Supreme Court would all agree not to block that effort -- would all agree to vote against abortion.-- we would not have the problem with Abortion in the U.S. ... chasing me around on that point - gets you nowhere since I already vote against it, and my vote does not change the state of abortion in the nation.

Details matter.

Which includes the detail that you apparently belong to a church which approves of murder.

Yes, details matter.

HankD

 

[Salty]

Nice -- now if only several 7th Day Adventist would all agree to insist that the board of directors of SDA hospital would stop allowing abortions Details matter.

DISCLAIMER - What I wish that Bob Ryan would post.

 

[robycop3]

God told Jeremiah that He knew him, even while he was forming in his mom's womb, and that's all I need to believe abortion(not birth control) is wrong, except to save the mother's life. And that circumstance is rare today in the USA.

 

[HankD]

God told Jeremiah that He knew him, even while he was forming in his mom's womb, and that's all I need to believe abortion(not birth control) is wrong, except to save the mother's life. And that circumstance is rare today in the USA.

However the detection of a Down's Syndrome pregnancy would not be reason for abortion (IMO).

HankD

 

[utilyan]

Is he in denial? Can't he just say "I'm against abortion"?

 

[Matt Black]

Nice -- now if only the 6 Catholic Judges on the Supreme Court would all agree not to block that effort -- would all agree to vote against abortion.

Read what Utilyan said: those justices are no longer Catholic according to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church; they and any Catholic Congresscritter who fires in favour of abortion rights is automatically excommunicated. They may call themselves Catholic in the same way that I may call myself a native of Papua New Guinea.

Now, I am happy to go on record and say abortion is a grave sin. How about you?

 

[BobRyan]

Read what Utilyan said: those justices are no longer Catholic according to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church; they and any Catholic Congresscritter who fires in favour of abortion rights is automatically excommunicated.

Which is hard to believe given the warm embrace the Pope and the Catholics in congress - gave each other when the Pope came to America. Does not look like anyone was excommunicated from anyone nor can it be shown that either the Judges or the Senators or the congress Reps are being denied communion at all.