The New Afghanistan

[JonC]

The Taliban is simply another faction in the civil war among terrorists wanting to control Afghanistan. That is what Afghanistan has been since Soviet pull out, civil war among terrorists.

They are just another faction (this time the one controlling the government).

They will always struggle for dominance. The "war on terror" was not a winnable war. It was really not a war at all (countries wage war against other countries....not insurgents). It was like the "war on drugs".

 

[Reynolds]

They are just another faction (this time the one controlling the government).

They will always struggle for dominance. The "war on terror" was not a winnable war. It was really not a war at all (countries wage war against other countries....not insurgents). It was like the "war on drugs".

That's why I have said since before the "war" began, "Nuke them.".

 

[Scott Downey]

That's why I have said since before the "war" began, "Nuke them.".

Carter killed the bomb that would just kill people leaving infrastructure and with limited radiation effects, he said it was immoral.
But it would have been very useful. Are their any 'moral' wars really? Aren't wars mostly just for political expediency purposes, taking resources and grudge matches?

If you absolutely devastate an entire group, then others wont want to join, as there would be nothing left to join. All we do since WW2 is fight fake wars to test military equipment and tactics, to make the war mongers happy.

 

[JonC]

We should have nuked them. Would have been a lot cheaper. There would have been no need for an Iraq war after that. Saddam would have been our best friend.

Monetarily it would have been cheaper (at least at the start). We also would have taken the place of the Nazis in history for committing atrocities against human beings. In the long run the US as a nation would fall.

Why would you object to a woman killing one baby yet advocate our nation murder over 38 million people simply for their nationality?

I understand the reasons we partnered with Afghanistan against the Taliban, and we certainly could win battles...but it was an unwinnable "war".

 

[Scott Downey]

Monetarily it would have been cheaper (at least at the start). We also would have taken the place of the Nazis in history for committing atrocities against human beings. In the long run the US as a nation would fall.

Why would you object to a woman killing one baby yet advocate our nation murder over 38 million people simply for their nationality?

I understand the reasons we partnered with Afghanistan against the Taliban, and we certainly could win battles...but it was an unwinnable "war".

Just bomb the Taliban areas, and if your not willing to commit to win a war, dont even go to war. What is the point, unless all your doing is testing out new military hardware and tactics, maybe that is what they want. We dont fight to win, not even sure why we fight wars today at all. I would rather all that money get spent on helping people responsibly, not without fiscal controls like it is today, in our country.

 

[JonC]

Just bomb the Taliban areas, and if your not willing to commit to win a war, dont even go to war. What is the point, unless all your doing is testing out new military hardware and tactics, maybe that is what they want. We dont fight to win, not even sure why we fight wars today at all. I would rather all that money get spent on helping people responsibly, not without fiscal controls like it is today, in our country.

I agree. The problem with targeting insurgents is they are insurgents. It was a huge waste of lives and money with very little (if anything) actually gained. It was politics. And Biden even botched getting out.

 

[Scott Downey]

Neutron bomb - Wikipedia
Causes deadly neutron radiation levels with less destructive effects on the land.
How is such a bomb as a mass casualty device unfair in war, it is not unfair, it is not any different than conventional bombs just much much larger in its desired effects.
What difference is there if in a conventional war you fight and kill a million enemy combatants with rifles, artillery, grenades, white phosphorus, whatever else gets deployed, tanks, planes, and loose a bunch of your own guys, or you kill the enemy combatants using one or two neutron bombs and save your side alive.

A US Army Colonel in intelligence I knew in church, talked with him about the first gulf war against Saddam Hussein. I asked him why we stopped the war.
He said it was like shooting ducks in a barrel. Too many Iraqi's were dying. Imagine that...their casualties were too high. So then we had to go to war again later and took him out. Meanwhile he got to torture his own people for a few more years. And now Iraq still is a disaster, a failed nation state.

 

[Reynolds]

Monetarily it would have been cheaper (at least at the start). We also would have taken the place of the Nazis in history for committing atrocities against human beings. In the long run the US as a nation would fall.

Why would you object to a woman killing one baby yet advocate our nation murder over 38 million people simply for their nationality?

I understand the reasons we partnered with Afghanistan against the Taliban, and we certainly could win battles...but it was an unwinnable "war".

War has a different morality.
Remember God ordering total annihilation?

For the record, you keep saying " simply for their nationality". That is not the case.

 

[JonC]

War has a different morality.
Remember God ordering total annihilation?

For the record, you keep saying " simply for their nationality". That is not the case.

God is the standard for morality.

And we were not at war with Afghanistan.

Police do not shoot into a crowd of children to kill a perpetrator. Have you ever wondered why?

 

[Reynolds]

God is the standard for morality.

And we were not at war with Afghanistan.

Police do not shoot into a crowd of children to kill a perpetrator. Have you ever wondered why?

Because police are not fighting a war.
God, the standard of morality, ordered all men, women, children, babies, and animals killed. He ordered goods destroyed. Sounds like the B.C. equivalent of popping off a few nukes.

 

[JonC]

Because police are not fighting a war.
God, the standard of morality, ordered all men, women, children, babies, and animals killed. He ordered goods destroyed. Sounds like the B.C. equivalent of popping off a few nukes.

What about the war on drugs?

You seem to be forgetting g we were not at war with Afghanistan. And even if we had been, targeting civilians is illegal (you are wanting the US to turn its military servicemembers into actual terrorists).


Point is you are advocating the murder of millions of innocent people in order to take out insurgents in a country with which we were not at war. That is murder.

And after we murder all of those people, killing the terrorists as well, then we would what?? Move on to Pakistan?

 

[Reynolds]

What about the war on drugs?

You seem to be forgetting g we were not at war with Afghanistan. And even if we had been, targeting civilians is illegal (you are wanting the US to turn its military servicemembers into actual terrorists).


Point is you are advocating the murder of millions of innocent people in order to take out insurgents in a country with which we were not at war. That is murder.

And after we murder all of those people, killing the terrorists as well, then we would what?? Move on to Pakistan?

War on drugs is a figure of speech.
Incindiary campaign against German civilian centers.
2 nukes on Japan civilian centers .
We don't declare war anymore.
WW2 was last declared war we had.

 

[JonC]

War on drugs is a figure of speech.
Incindiary campaign against German civilian centers.
2 nukes on Japan civilian centers .

Just as much as "war on terror".

On what country was war declared (with the "war on terror"). None. We were hunting terrorists within several countries - often (like Afghanistan) with the assistance of the host country.

 

[Reynolds]

Just as much as "war on terror".

On what country was war declared (with the "war on terror"). None. We were hunting terrorists within several countries - often (like Afghanistan) with the assistance of the host country.

I advocated what Sen Miller advocated. Declaring war on Afghanistan and "Nuke the Hell out of em.".

 

[JonC]

I advocated what Sen Miller advocated. Declaring war on Afghanistan and "Nuke the Hell out of em.".

I am sorry you feel that way. Glad we didn't go to war with Afghanistan.

 

[JonC]

Neutron bomb - Wikipedia
Causes deadly neutron radiation levels with less destructive effects on the land.
How is such a bomb as a mass casualty device unfair in war, it is not unfair, it is not any different than conventional bombs just much much larger in its desired effects.
What difference is there if in a conventional war you fight and kill a million enemy combatants with rifles, artillery, grenades, white phosphorus, whatever else gets deployed, tanks, planes, and loose a bunch of your own guys, or you kill the enemy combatants using one or two neutron bombs and save your side alive.

A US Army Colonel in intelligence I knew in church, talked with him about the first gulf war against Saddam Hussein. I asked him why we stopped the war.
He said it was like shooting ducks in a barrel. Too many Iraqi's were dying. Imagine that...their casualties were too high. So then we had to go to war again later and took him out. Meanwhile he got to torture his own people for a few more years. And now Iraq still is a disaster, a failed nation state.

Yea...but the Taluban used caves.

 

[Use of Time]

I advocated what Sen Miller advocated. Declaring war on Afghanistan and "Nuke the Hell out of em.".

I swear it’s almost like you wanted us to go out of our way to kill civilians. It’s odd to see your weird flippancy towards ROE after your staunch legalistic defense of Ashli Babbit.

I’ll play along. Using your approach the cop should have fired every round he had into the crowd. Ya know, kill the fight in em right?

Talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[Reynolds]

I am sorry you feel that way. Glad we didn't go to war with Afghanistan.

If we had, our foreign policy position would be much stronger.

 

[Use of Time]

If we had, our foreign policy position would be much stronger.

So we should have declared war on a country and nuked them simply to project a stronger foreign policy position?

I think it would make the US seem unstable and dangerous and it might make other nations band together to respond.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It would have happened regardless of which administration pulled out. The issue is not Afghanistan. The problem is we had no legitimate goals (we were at war with "terror" - no concrete end point).

The issue, however, is President Biden acted without any feasible plan at all.

Yes, again thank you Joe Biden.