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"The New Calvinism" on PBS

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Rippon

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Still unconvinced??
Yep, I still am. Nothing of any substance has been provided by you and your links.

By the way, Mark Driscoll left the pastorate two months ago. I was never a fan of his. You can verify this by checking the archives.

John Piper left the pastorate almost two years ago. I have had some issues with him --his ties with Driscoll and Warren among them. But overall he has been a wonderful blessing to the Church at-large --not just Reformed Baptists.
 

DHK

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Yep, I still am. Nothing of any substance has been provided by you and your links.

By the way, Mark Driscoll left the pastorate two months ago. I was never a fan of his. You can verify this by checking the archives.

John Piper left the pastorate almost two years ago. I have had some issues with him --his ties with Driscoll and Warren among them. But overall he has been a wonderful blessing to the Church at-large --not just Reformed Baptists.
Andrew Fuller left the ministry a few years ago also. That doesn't mean he didn't have an effect on those arround him.

From The Reformed Theological Seminary:
Thirteen features of the New Calvinism:

4. The New Calvinism leans toward being culture-affirming rather than culture-denying, while holding fast to some very culturally alien positions, like positions on same-sex practice and abortion.
4. The Old Calvinism understands salvation to be distinct from culture, hence Old Calvinists’ belief that deceased saints are saved even though they no longer inhabit a culture.


8. The New Calvinism includes charismatics and non-charismatics.
8. The Old Calvinism excludes charismatics because Old Calvinists believe in the sufficiency of Scripture.


And so much more
http://theaquilareport.com/the-new-calvinism-is-not-the-old-calvinism/
 

Rippon

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From The Reformed Theological Seminary:
"And so much more." Well, here's the gist of the so much more:

Allegiance to the inerrancy of the Bible
Sovereignty of God in salvation
Embraces the essential place of the local church --that the preached Word is central to the work of God
Mission-driven
Interdenominational
Jonathan Edwards, rather than Jonathan Edwards is more of a model of ministry
Robustly gospel-centered and cross-centered
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You know DHK, a little more honesty is required of you.
 

DHK

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"And so much more." Well, here's the gist of the so much more:
When you don't give the whole quote it is deceptive.
Allegiance to the inerrancy of the Bible
And the rest of the quote:
embraces the biblical truths behind the five points (TULIP), while having an aversion to using the acronym or any other systematic packaging, along with a sometimes qualified embrace of limited atonement.

Sovereignty of God in salvation
in salvation, and in all the affairs of life in history, including evil and suffering.
-This is in opposition to the traditional "divine sovereignty in everything."
They have qualified it. It is more historical.
Embraces the essential place of the local church --that the preached Word is central to the work of God
What is the rest of that quote??
It is led mainly by pastors, has a vibrant church-planting bent, produces widely-sung worship music, and exalts the preached word as central to the work of God locally and globally.
--Typical worldliness and carnality in music. The stress is not preaching the word locally, but rather globally. This is via internet, not traditional missions.
Mission-driven
including missional impact on social evils, evangelistic impact on personal networks, and missionary impact on unreached peoples of the world.
Yep! Missions according to the social gospel! They are more interested in environmentalism and racial issues than they are in preaching the gospel.
Interdenominational
That is a curse not a compliment. The church of the Antichrist and False Prophet will be interdenominational. The secular religions of humanism and existentialism are interdenominational. They can work with all religions, except fundamental baptists, except those who are doctrinally sound in their beliefs.
Jonathan Edwards, rather than Jonathan Edwards is more of a model of ministry
Any name can be given. A person influences others. Piper, Mohler, Driscoll, et. al. have influenced others for evil rather than good. The New Calvinism movement is not a good movement.
Robustly gospel-centered and cross-centered
And the rest of the quote?
with dozens of books rolling off the presses, coming at the gospel from every conceivable angle, and applying it to all areas of life with a commitment to seeing the historic doctrine of justification, finding its fruit in sanctification personally and communally.
--The books contain error, heresy, all kinds of it. Words, that is theological terms are redefined. As one of your own said:
"If you are going to adopt Puritan doctrine, then adopt Puritan sanctification."
But they don't. They follow the "cussing pastor," such as Mark Driscoll, or have had, and have copied his ways. They are worldly, not sanctified.

It was interesting that writer of the article said:
13. The New Calvinism uses words like robust, vibrant, embrace and lots of adverbs.
13. Old Calvinists don’t.
--These are some of those key words of the New Calvinists, the ones that identify them.

If you were honest you would give complete quotes and show the differences that the author of the article was actually pointing out. But you were not. I had to do it for you.
 

Someone enlightened me to this a while back. Here we have an Administrator knowingly violating a 'major no-no' by having dual accounts and actively using them...

There's two sets of rules on here, it appears. One set for us and one set for admins and mods...
 

kyredneck

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Willis, it's been common knowledge with several members for quite some time. I can't help but wonder what part he played, if any, in the attempt to ban The Biblicist a while back for having two monikers when The Bib had a legit reason for doing so and had tried to have it corrected beforehand with no success.
 
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Squire states Zion Baptist church as his home church. I read this on the site that has his picture on his 'Squire Robertson' account..

"Two further factors helped make Zion Baptist Church (later Hamilton Square) a Northern Baptist church."

Robert K. Fall has HSBC as his home church. Here's the way he worded it in a sentence...


"This makes it difficult for most members and friends of HSBC to understand Hamilton Square’s historic underpinnings."

Read this link below admins/mods and see it for yourself. I'm sure nothing will be done, but the rest will know how poorly this site is run....



http://sharperiron.org/forum/thread...urch-historic-northern-regular-baptist-church
 
Willis, it's been common knowledge with several members for quite some time. I can't help but wonder what part he played, if any, in the attempt to ban The Biblicist a while back for having two monikers when The Bib had a legit reason for doing so and had tried to have it corrected beforehand with no success.

This is the penultimate evidence of how poorly this site is being ran....
 

kyredneck

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This is the penultimate evidence of how poorly this site is being ran....

Well, you didn't have to say that. I don't envy any mod's/admin's position/job in trying to manage a site this size in their spare time. I can only imagine the frivolous whining complaints that they can be inundated with.
 
Well, you didn't have to say that. I don't envy any mod's/admin's position/job in trying to manage a site this size in their spare time. I can only imagine the frivolous whining complaints that they can be inundated with.

Admins/Mods enforce the BB rules, and act accordingly when said rules are broken, no?

When they go 'above and beyond' said rules, knowingly breaking them, then giving infractions and/or bannishments for others doing the same, is the ultimate hypocrisy...
 

Rippon

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We have drifted from the subject of the OP. Let's get back to the theme of so-called "New Calvinism."
 

Yeshua1

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Are you saying here that you do not like that they try to accomodate music and culture into just how the message of jesus is getting packaged?

Wouldn't that really be then making our own preferences and convictions same towards everyone else?

Now as regarding Charasmatics and same sex stuff being acceptable to them...

THOSE things are indeed nOT to be found in any Baptist church so called!
 

Yeshua1

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We have drifted from the subject of the OP. Let's get back to the theme of so-called "New Calvinism."

Do those in it seek to accomodate same sex relationships, and to have male leadership undermined though?

As while as accepting into church Charasmatic practices and teachings?
 

DHK

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Do those in it seek to accomodate same sex relationships, and to have male leadership undermined though?

As while as accepting into church Charasmatic practices and teachings?
Most of the well-known preachers who promote and encourage this ‘revival’ of Calvinism (or New Calvinism) have in common the following positions that contradict a genuine Calvinistic (or Puritan) outlook:
1. They have no problem with contemporary charismatic-ethos worship, including extreme, heavy-metal forms.
2. They are soft on separation from worldliness [see endnote 2].
3. They reject the concern for the personal guidance of God in the major decisions of Christians (true sovereignty), thereby striking a death-blow to wholehearted consecration.
4. They hold anti-fourth-commandment views, taking a low view of the Lord’s Day, and so inflicting another blow at a consecrated lifestyle.
Whatever their strengths and achievements (and some of them are brilliant men by any human standard), or whatever their theoretical Calvinism, the poor stand of these preachers on these crucial issues will only encourage a fatally flawed version of Calvinism that will lead people to be increasingly wedded to the world, and to a self-seeking lifestyle. Truly proclaimed, the sovereignty of God must include consecration, reverence, sincere obedience to his will, and separation from the world, and the New Calvinism has very little of that.

from Peter Masters:
http://test.metropolitantabernacle....Calvinism-Merger-of-Calvinism-and-Worldliness
 
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