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Gospel of Matt. 1:23-25

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS"

 

Hello, JoeT. I was Baptist when I joined this board many years ago. I studied what the Catholic Church ACTUALLY taught and the writings of the earliest Christians post Apostolic age and realized that the Church was Catholic from the very beginning. Now I am Catholic and have an even closer walk with the Lord than as an evangelical. I have the opportunity to attend mass daily and pray the Daily Office. Welcome to the board!

 

St. Matthew's nativity account, which you quote, is only concerned with the events up until the nativity. His narrative is not focused on Joseph or Mary's conjugal life after the nativity. If he was, he would have written "until after" if he wanted to avoid any ambiguity. St. Matthew's nativity narrative is about identifying the Messiah, not about Joseph's sex life.

 

This is not Hebrew it is Greek

adelphē a full, own sister one connected by the tie of the Christian religion

adelphos from G1 (as a connective particle) and δελφύς delphýs (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like G1):—brother.

Gal 1:19

But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

some uses are as you post but not all, and not unbelievers, Jesus's family was at one time

Mat 12:47

Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48

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But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

same words used by others who knew the family

you have been fed lies to support an unneeded doctrine, Why should Mary be venerated? Luke 1:46, she gave all glory to God.

 

Great, now please give me the verse which states Mary's subsequent maternities.

The claim is she had six other children, making them uterine siblings of Jesus. Verse please.

 

No I am not thinking that Mary is dead, I am stating with absolute certain she is dead, and I am sure that also all apostles, and all true disciples of JESUS over these two thousand years are dead and wating their resurrection, that is the resurrection of this last Day, that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium.

Oh! do you still ignore the biblical teachings God gives us free of charge through His Word? Did you never learned from your religious teachers or guides what is written in 1Thessalonians 4: v.13-17?

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel (archangel Michael), and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Have you never learned from your religious guides the eternal life will be only and only after the resurrection of the dead? ITOH those which are alive will be caught up together with them? Have you never read Revelation 20:v.6? 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with JESUS a thousand years.

Oh! excuse-me, what you are saying does not have any sense. I perceive that your religious guides are blind completely. What is written in the Word of God, preached by the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Church of Corinthians?

1Corinthians 15:v.51-55

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment ... at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1Thes.4:v.16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel (Michael), and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Revelation 20:v.4-5

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and Judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

The verse only addresses what occured up until the time Jesus was born–it says nothing about what happened afterward. Some Protestants impose an implication on the verse that isn’t there. The Catholic Answers tract “Brethren of the Lord” points out:

In the Bible, it [until] means only that some action did not happen up to a certain point; it does not imply that the action did happen later, which is the modern sense of the term. In fact, if the modern sense is forced on the Bible, some ridiculous meanings result.

Consider this line: “Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death” (2 Sam. 6:23). Are we to assume she had children after her death?

There is also the burial of Moses. The book of Deuteronomy says that no one knew the location of his grave “until this present day” (Deut. 34:6, Knox). But we know that no one has known since that day either.

The examples could be multiplied, but you get the idea—nothing can be proved from the use of the word “till” in Matthew 1:25. Recent translations give a better sense of the verse: “He had no relations with her at any time before she bore a son” (New American Bible); “He had not known her when she bore a son” (Knox).

 

Modern RC translation.

 

I did not say the # but this is six
Mar 6:3

Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters (2) here with us? And they were offended at him.

 

They were cousins, a term that was not used at that time. Did not those early believers call themselves "brothers" and "sisters"? This issue is one where people have a different interpretation.

Now tell me, cannot Mother Mary be compared to "Ark of the Covenant"? If so, then she would not be used again, she was above all the physical stuff we are involved in. Her main thing in life was bringing God Incarnate into the world and raising Him up, a special purpose for someone if there ever was one - and that is not such a far fetched idea at all.

 

As all true Christians can see by your post, how the prophetic message of the Apostle Paul written in 1Timothy 4:v.1-2 fulfils LITERALLY in this end of the time.

In the other hand, who is able to fight or make WAR against the Beast of 7 heads, and 10 horns, and upon his horns 10 crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy?

Revelation 18:v.1-5
I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightly with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

 

Sounds like any secular society from England to the USA.

 

She is not a type of the Ark? The was used a lot idk why you say this?

Why is she being deified? what is the point or doctrine?

Are y'all adopting her as Ashtoreth?

 

What prevails is the written Word of God . Revelation 18:v.2 will fulfil LITERALLY from now on. There will not escape.

 

First, Scripture does not state Mary of Nazareth had any children other than Jesus Christ. Christ is always referred to as THE son of Mary, never A son of Mary.

As for James, Joses and Simon, we know from the other Gospels that they are the sons of Mary of
Cleophas, not Mary of Nazareth (the Mother of Jesus). St. John tells us that it is Mary of Cleophas at the cross (John 19:25), and St. Matthew tells this Mary of Cleophas is the mother of James and Joses. (Mt. 27:56)

Ergo, when James and Joses and Simon are called "brothers" of Jesus, they cannot be uterine brothers because their mother is Mary of Cleophas.

The modern Evangelical Protestant error of claiming Mary had subsequent maternities stems from forcing a modern Westernized concept of a family unit (i.e. a nuclear family) onto an ancient Hebrew / Semitic (tribal) culture. The ancient Hebrews did not view family in this manner. Thus, they skew the text by applying modern concepts to ancient cultures, thereby incorrectly interpreting those passages by doing so through the lens of a modern nuclear family. You cannot impose a 21st century Western nuclear family structure with our own use of “brother” to that of Jewish culture in antiquity. The term had a much broader use in antiquity.


Furthermore, Joseph and Mary's marriage was not ordinary in that its teleological end was not procreation, but rather to point to the Kingdom of God. Since they were in the presence of the Most High as the parents of the Incarnate Son of God, their life of continence, like that of their Son's, points to the heavenly Kingdom, as opposed to an earthly and carnal one.

 

Their village called then brothers and sisters, their neighbors, but others had the same names but their village knew them all from childhood