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The NFL: Now America's most hated major sport

InTheLight

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They are 13.3% of the population, but less than 7% of that number are men, and even less than that are men in their prime for baseball, so, if anything, blacks over represented, even now.

OK, was Obama black? Is he in that 13.3%?
 

carpro

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They are 13.3% of the population, but less than 7% of that number are men, and even less than that are men in their prime for baseball, so, if anything, blacks over represented, even now.

At the start of the 2017 MLB season, 7.7% of the players were classified as black. Black males represent a little less than 7% of the population. They are not under-represented. End of story.

What makes it an even more scurrilous lie is that a little over 30% of the players are classified as Latino and the vast majority of them are also black.

The decline in "black" representation in MLB (which peaked at about 18%) began at about the same time that Latino Black representation began to climb. It's a shell game. They don't go by actual race, they go by what the player "identifies" as.

PC is the enemy of us all.
 

InTheLight

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They are 13.3% of the population, but less than 7% of that number are men, and even less than that are men in their prime for baseball, so, if anything, blacks over represented, even now.
Since men in their prime are the only demographics for MLB (no women, no children) black men in their prime represent 13.3% of all men in their prime. Thus blacks are under represented in MLB.



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carpro

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Since men in their prime are the only demographics for MLB (no women, no children) black men in their prime represent 13.3% of all men in their prime. Thus blacks are under represented in MLB.

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InTheLight

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Yes, please learn some mathematics.

Since only adult males play baseball we can eliminate all females and children of any race. Our sampling of population of people who could be in the Major Leagues is now comprised of only adult males. Since the percent of all blacks to the percent of all people in the US is 13.3%, the percent of all adult black males to all adult males of any race is also 13.3%. I don't know why this needs to be explained to you. (Or to 777, who should know better, since he's fairly savvy at polling.)
 

carpro

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Yes, please learn some mathematics.

Since only adult males play baseball we can eliminate all females and children of any race. Our sampling of population of people who could be in the Major Leagues is now comprised of only adult males. Since the percent of all blacks to the percent of all people in the US is 13.3%, the percent of all adult black males to all adult males of any race is also 13.3%. I don't know why this needs to be explained to you. (Or to 777, who should know better, since he's fairly savvy at polling.)

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777

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No, all I was saying is that if you grabbed a random person off the street and inducted that person into MLB, there would only about a 6% chance that person would be an adult black man. You can't extrapolate demographics that flippantly, probably around .005% of the overall population could ever be able to perform at MLB level, regardless of race or gender.

And that person would have to want and be able to develop the skills required, even if the athletic ability was there. That narrows the pool down further, and you have to remember there are a lot more black women than men, and, frankly, there are millions of black men in this age group incarcerated, and you can't play past forty. This doesn't make the MLB racist or sexist in of itself.
 

Rob_BW

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They are 13.3% of the population, but less than 7% of that number are men, and even less than that are men in their prime for baseball, so, if anything, blacks over represented, even now.
So black men aren't underrepresented, but black people are.
 

InTheLight

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No, all I was saying is that if you grabbed a random person off the street and inducted that person into MLB, there would only about a 6% chance that person would be an adult black man.

You can't extrapolate demographics that flippantly, probably around .005% of the overall population could ever be able to perform at MLB level, regardless of race or gender.

That isn't the argument. The argument is this--what percentage of blacks are in the major leagues compared to the percentage of blacks in the general population. By necessity the pool to choose from must be males.

And that person would have to want and be able to develop the skills required, even if the athletic ability was there. That narrows the pool down further, and you have to remember there are a lot more black women than men, and, frankly, there are millions of black men in this age group incarcerated, and you can't play past forty.

All of this is irrelevant. The pool of black people that can be chosen from is 13.3% of all males. The fact that there are only 6.7% of MLB players that are black shows they are under represented. It's not complicated.
 

777

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Well, maybe you ought to stop reading the thread to protect your super-duper IQ. Some people.

You are saying blacks are 13% of the population, so if 7% of the MLB is black, blacks are unrepresented in the MLB. But 13% of the male population is not necessarily black and between the ages of 23-40 or whatever and available and willing to play.

You just can't mix demographics up like that - men are 90% of sex offenders, yet only 48% of the population and that doesn't mean 10% of all sex offenders are black men. It is that complicated but the NBA and the NFL over represent blacks unless 72% -90% of all men of playing age are black.
 

InTheLight

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You are saying blacks are 13% of the population, so if 7% of the MLB is black, blacks are unrepresented in the MLB.

Yes, it's just that simple.

But 13% of the male population is not necessarily black and between the ages of 23-40 or whatever and available and willing to play.

Yeah, there might be minor variations but generally speaking the comparison holds. For your point to have validity you need to show us that black males between the ages of 23-40 are not 13.3% of the general population of all males ages 23-40.
Unwillingness to play does not make someone a black male.

You just can't mix demographics up like that - men are 90% of sex offenders, yet only 48% of the population and that doesn't mean 10% of all sex offenders are black men. It is that complicated but the NBA and the NFL over represent blacks unless 72% -90% of all men of playing age are black.

Non sequitur.
 
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