The NKJV and it's pagan symbol

[LarryN]

Origiannly posted by BrianT:

Several years ago, there was a book called "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" which "exposed" the New Age agenda. Several people in my church then ran around all willy-nilly, scared of everything that had a Triqueta, rainbow, the unicorn, etc.

There's no reason for any KJVO'er to be scared of unicorns. Why, the KJV mentions unicorns in Numbers 23:22 & 24:8, Job 39:9-10, and Psalms 29:6 & 92:10.

 

[ArcticBound]

Originally posted by BrianT:

Oink oink!

WELL SAID!

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by timothy 1769:
Originally posted by robycop3:
Unlike the KJVOs, we Anti-OnlyismistsPROVEwhat we say.

Prove any verse from the CT was in the autographs.

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There's an element of faith in both our positions.

But it is faith built on some very short "leaps" of logic. Since people within 200 years of the originals quoted and copied many verses with great unanimity, it is not much of a stretch to say this is what the originals actually said.

There are some passages that God has left in doubt as to their exact wording when we look at the evidence. The ending of Mark for instance has no majority form nor is there a clear "earliest" form. I believe an ending very similar to that of the KJV was original... but that is a bit more of a "leap of faith" on my part.

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by ArcticBound:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BrianT:

Oink oink!

WELL SAID! </font>[/QUOTE]Is this he only part of my posts you understand and can respond to? Why are you ignoring everything else?

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by ArcticBound:
It looks like I am simply casting my pearls among the swine.

I'm sure that's what it looks like, but the reality is you're casting falsehoods, rumors, gossip, and devisiveness before brethren.

You have already come to your conclusions.

From reading the threads, it looks like many have done research, and made conclusions after your assertion. Still, you so far have yet to retract your blatant lie about the Roman Catholic Church. Hence, you're still proven to be a blatant liar.

I still won't hang a Swastika around my house, nor put a burning cross in my yard, nor put a Triqueta on my Bible.

Which is your right. You will, however, assert your hertical beliefs about the KJV upon others, which you have no moral right to do.

I think we showed enough evidence on this matter.

You're shown evidence that the form of a triqueta have been used by pagan societies. Evidence has been ample to show that forms of it have also been used by Christian societies. You have shown no evidence that it is exclusively a pagan symbol.

 

[robycop3]

Originally posted by timothy 1769:
Originally posted by robycop3:
Unlike the KJVOs, we Anti-OnlyismistsPROVEwhat we say.

Prove any verse from the CT was in the autographs.

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There's an element of faith in both our positions.

AFTER you prove that any verse of the KJV was.

Of course I have faith that God has preserved and presented His word-AS HE CHOSE, regardless of how some men THOUGHT He should've done it. But when one continues to have faith in a doctrine that's CLEARLY been proven ENTIRELY INCORRECT, such as KJVO has been, where does faith end and hardness of heart begin?

 

[HankD]

It looks like I am simply casting my pearls among the swine. You have already come to your conclusions. I still won't hang a Swastika around my house, nor put a burning cross in my yard, nor put a Triqueta on my Bible

Did you know that the First Edition of the 1611 KJV had several pages of engavements of a myriad of symbols of the Church of Rome many of which had their roots in paganism?

For instance the symbol of the fish was originally the symbol of Dagon.

Titus 1:15
Unto the pure all things are pure...

HankD

 

[LarryN]

I posted one of these on another thread. Here are two renditions of the cover plates from original AV1611's:

1. www.sc.edu/library/spcoll/sccoll/renprint/kjbible.jpg

2. www.nick2211.yage.net/pics/1611.jpg

They might be a bit hard to make out, but there's loads of imagery on these.

 

[Spirit and Truth]

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Under your logic of "separation" shouldn't we now completely drop all use and mention of the cross? We're now sharing it with a grotesque blasphemer who seems to have always had an affinity for black clothing and dark themes/humor/environment.

Of course this is a ridiculous proposition... but it is no more ridiculous than KJVO attempts to discredit the NKJV based on a superficial image that happens to mean something negative to some non-Christians.


S&T:

Madonna used the cross in a tainted fashion. Now since she has gotten into Hebrew mysticism she sports a tattoo of Yod / Hey / Vav / Hey [YHVH] on her shoulder as she writhes.Nothing new under the sun. The tau cross is surely a pagan symbol as is the ankh. The romans crucifeid Christ, so I guess that it would be fair to say that the cross was used by pagans, but as a torture device, not an object of "faith". The symbol on the NKJV was "created" by the druids / celts. That is the difference.

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I don't believe Spirit and Truth is King James Only...PLEASE CORRECT ME (SPIRIT AND TRUTH) IF YOU ARE KING JAMES ONLY!


S&T:

No I am not, but I get accused of that everytime somone can not answer my concerns with scholarship.

 

[Pastor KevinR]

My favorite version no longer uses this so-called occultic symbol..When I first bought the superior NKJV(in my view) I read about the symbol in their preface and left it at that. Now, the later editions do not have it, and it hasn't changed my love for this version. The guilt by association argument doesn't float...if you believe in that argument then abandon your KJV's! The Puritans(some) rejected the AV1611 because of it's association with a wicked King!

 

[robycop3]

Originally posted by ArcticBound:
It looks like I am simply casting my pearls among the swine. You have already come to your conclusions. I still won't hang a Swastika around my house, nor put a burning cross in my yard, nor put a Triqueta on my Bible.

I think we showed enough evidence on this matter.

Pearls, or mothballs?

I don't believe ANY Baptist would have a swastika in their home except as an historical relic or upon the cover of a book about nazis. And since a burning cross is a sign of contempt by white people for black people, no REAL Baptist would have one of those, or place one in anyone's yard. There are VERY well-known symbols, and I don't know of too many English-users worldwide who wouldn't know what they mean. But the triquetra is another matter. FEW people know what it is, or really care.

However, it's perfectly OK if you wanna apply 1 Corinthians 8 to the triquetra, but remember, YOUR beliefs or conscience doesn't apply to everyone else, and you CANNOT prove out-and-out that the triquetra is a totally-evil symbol. Also remember that the CROSS(not burning) has often been used as a pagan symbol.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Spirit and Truth:
The romans crucifeid Christ, so I guess that it would be fair to say that the cross was used by pagans, but as a torture device, not an object of "faith".

Actually there is biblical evidence that you are wrong on this. Hezekiah was forced to destroy the brass serpent of Moses that was put on a standard (quite likely a cross for hoisting banners) because the Jews were worshipping it.

Also, Ankh pre-dates the crucifixion so it was used by pagans as an object of faith before becoming a Christian symbol.

The symbol on the NKJV was "created" by the druids / celts. That is the difference.

Actually, the sources I found that said this acknowledged that this explanation was partly speculation and that this appears to be the source.

In any event, whether they employed good judgment with the use of the symbol or not is irrelevant with regard to the quality of the translation.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Scott J:
Also, Ankh pre-dates the crucifixion so it was used by pagans as an object of faith before becoming a Christian symbol.

Interesting that you bring that up. Many Christians believe that the Ankh is a pagan symbol of Egyptian culture. Some attribute it to sexual immorality (which is intereting, because monogamy in Egyptian culture was extremely important to the Egyptians). While it was used for such purposes, its primary role in history has been part of the Egyptian hieroglyphic system. "Ankh" is the egyptian word which is translated "life". It corresponds to the Hebrew symbol "chai"*, which also means "life".

*"Chai" in Hebrew is comprised of the two letters "Het" and "Youd".

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Originally posted by ArcticBound:
It looks like I am simply casting my pearls among the swine. You have already come to your conclusions.

Wow, not quite 50 posts on the board and you have already identified the group as "swine." Do you reserve your contempt exclusively for your fellow Believers, or do you apply it to everyone?

 

[dianetavegia]

Artic Bound, forgive me for getting off topic here but you're heading to the mission field with such anger against those who do not believe exactly as you.... Does this make sense? How will you be able to witness and win the loss in the artic regions?

Okay... back to the original topic!

Diane

 

[Spirit and Truth]

John V stated:

"Ankh" is the egyptian word which is translated "life". It corresponds to the Hebrew symbol "chai"*, which also means "life".

S&T:

Sorry John, but I believe that you would be hard pressed to find many of Jewish heritage that agree with this. Remember pharoah...let my people go...400 years of slavery? Many Hebrew slaves died under that symbol ....no "life" there.
Pharoah's "faith" was comprised of symbols which are popular in our society such as the ankh, the scarab beetle, the obelisk, the eye of horus, pyramids, etc. The eye of horus [modified version] can be found on the back of U.S. currency [how appropriate for mammon].Oh, and some popular bible mss also came out of the Alexandrian area, where ebionites [those who denied the deity of Christ] were from as well.


Scott J stated:

Actually there is biblical evidence that you are wrong on this. Hezekiah was forced to destroy the brass serpent of Moses that was put on a standard (quite likely a cross for hoisting banners) because the Jews were worshipping it.

S&T:

No offense Scott, but the term "quite likely" does not constitute Biblical proof.

 

[Walls]

Originally posted by robycop3:
Then you're implying that the KJVOs are lost, as THEY often see the devil in any man-made thing.

No I was referring to my brother, who is by no means a saved person. He is heavy into new age rock and like I stated, named his dog Wicca.

 

[HankD]

On the photographic reproduction of the first page of the First Edition of the 1611 King James Bible up at the top to the left is a sunburst with a face within it : an ancient SYMBOL of MITHRAS the sun god!

So much for symbols in/on Bibles.

HankD

 

[TC]

I looked at some NKJVs not that long ago. The symbol is not on the newly printed ones. In fact, I have a Thomas Nelson NKJV and the symbol is not there - not on the cover or anywhere inside.

Anyway, the symbol has nothing to do with the text of the NKJV - just as the cover of the first KJV has nothing to do with the text.

 

[Spirit and Truth]

TC stated:

I looked at some NKJVs not that long ago. The symbol is not on the newly printed ones. In fact, I have a Thomas Nelson NKJV and the symbol is not there - not on the cover or anywhere inside.

S&T:

I am happy to hear that the publishers took the complaint to heart and modified the cover. Now, if the translator of the message would modify those phrases that are reflective of occultic practice like he did with the 'guess" name Yahweh that appeared in the 1994 version, we could call it a day.