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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by robycop3, May 21, 2019.

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  1. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
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    And what confusion there is, is all man-made. The KJVO myth adds to it.
     
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    Yes, written by different men, who all worded things differently, same as different manuscript writers and Bible translators do.

    In fact, no KJVO can prove which of the over-30 revisions of the TR is the "perfect" one. Dean Burgon said the TR could stand yet another thorough revision.

    No need to, as I see GOD preserved ALL the ancient Scriptural mss. we have before us.

    Just as Mormons feel "in their spirits" that Joey Smith & Brigand Young were actually prophets.

    Of course not, as it's FALSE.

    No need to, as I readily admit it. It's not such a great version, as compared to several newer ones.

    First, what I HATE is the false, man-made KJVO MYTH, not the KJV itself.

    But what I don't like about it is its obsolete language, which many people don't completely understand, and its goofs & booboos, such as "Easter" in Acts 12:4, its obvious goof in 1 Tim. 6:10, & many others.

    Let's not forget that ALL Bible translations in whatever language are the products of God's perfect word being handled by imperfect men.

    **THE KJVO MYTH - PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE !**
     
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    New translations were made to both reflect the changes in the English language and improvements in translation.

    But, are any of them CORRECT ?
    None of them can replace the LACK OF SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT. Without it, no doctrine of faith/worship can be true.

    I readily admit there are some real bummers being published as "Bible versions" such as the cult-specific ones. As I said, I primarily muse the NKJV & NASV, but I certainly don't reject the ESV or HCSV. (I don't care for the NIV or "The Message", as I don't like paraphrased versions.)

    But apparently, YOU'RE in thrall to it. Why teach Scripture in a language style that's no longer in use outside of Shakespeare theaters?

    It's NOT more-accurate. That's just your guess. Plainly, "Easter" in Acts 12:4 is a glaring booboo. And "the love of money is THE root of ALL evil" in 1 Tim. 6:10 is simply not true. The CORRECT readings are "passover" in Acts & "the love of money is A root of ALL SORTS of evil" in 1 Tim.

    I can point out poor renderings in the KJV all day, such as "Thou shalt not KILL" in Ex. 20:13 that are not found in modern translations. However, if YOU"RE happy with them, fine. You have a right to be wrong.
     
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    Whoa, horsey.;)

    Are you saying that the men who God used to write His inspired words, didn't record them accurately and faithfully?
    Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
    To me, they were very careful to only write what God Himself gave them to write...it didn't rely on human invention, one bit.

    Next question:
    Do you believe that God is behind all of today's English translations?

    I don't.:Sneaky
     
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    I'm not advocating teaching Late Middle English to anyone.

    I'm advocating getting today's moneymakers off the translation train, and getting some real born-again believers behind a good one.
    So far all I see are people who get contracted to use the same old 1-2% CT base for all of the new ones.

    From where I'm sitting, it seems that this subject has you so angry, that you are unwilling to carefully consider the real problem...
    We don't need more translations.
    We, as believers, only need one good one.

    So, why doesn't someone simply take the KJV and update the language and be done with it?

    I'll tell you why...
    Because the publishing houses see a fat cash cow to be milked, and they are stringing believers along by the nose, keeping them waiting on the next, "best version"...promising them a never-ending, never-complete "bible" in the process.

    You're fully within your right to ride it, but I got off that train decades ago.;)

    It's been an interesting discussion, Roby.
    However, I don't see that you're looking for discussion...more like a fight, and you seem to enjoy beating people up who love the AV.
    I do hope that I am wrong.:Cautious



    I wish you well, and I'll keep in mind that your "hot button" is anyone who even remotely tries to suggest that there are any problems with today's English translations.:)
     
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    Then, why teach them from the KJV ?

    A translation should use an eclectic mix of as many available mss. as possible. After all, GOD preserved ALL of them.



    Seen me pushing for more translations? And we have several in English already, such as the NKJV , NASV, ESV, etc.

    They HAVE. One is the NKJV; another is the MEV.

    I'll tell you why...
    Because the publishing houses see a fat cash cow to be milked, and they are stringing believers along by the nose, keeping them waiting on the next, "best version"...promising them a never-ending, never-complete "bible" in the process.

    You're fully within your right to ride it, but I got off that train decades ago.;)

    It's been an interesting discussion, Roby.
    However, I don't see that you're looking for discussion...more like a fight, and you seem to enjoy beating people up who love the AV.
    I do hope that I am wrong.:Cautious



    I wish you well, and I'll keep in mind that your "hot button" is anyone who even remotely tries to suggest that there are any problems with today's English translations.:)[/QUOTE]
     
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    I really find that people blanket libeling others on this forum to be bad form.

    Lockman Foundation is not a publishing house and they are also a nonprofit.

    The Lockman Foundation - NASB, Amplified Bible, LBLA, and NBLH Bibles

    The most offensive NIV is another one which was developed without a profit motive.

    History - NIV Bible

    Although their origin story is not interesting, Crossway of the ESV is also a nonprofit.

    Crossway
    Crossway

    And of course the one you'all probably hate the most is also a non-profit which actually takes submissions for grants.

    Tyndale House Foundation – Tyndale House Foundation

    And despite their "fat cow", they aren't able to fund all the applications they would like to fund.

    The exception would be the NKJV which is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.

    I also find it interesting that the Bibles with the most Christian and interesting origin stories are bad-mouthed the most.
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHA!

    Not a KJO myself, but I find it hilarious that you are thinking a logical fallacy would prove a point. :Roflmao
     
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    another would be that it means God has no translation to use until 1611, even though had a Vulgate way before that time.
     
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    Can you prove my point wrong? OF COURSE NOT !
     
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    I can prove it a logical fallacy, and that if the thing did exist, it would actually be the best evidence against KJO. :Roflmao
     
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    Typical KJV-only arguments or reasoning offered to support a KJV-only theory usually involves use of logical fallacies.
     
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    HMMM....I see no KJVO will DARE reply to the fact that KJVO has no Scriptural support !
     
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    STILL no KJVO response ! Guess they have none !
     
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    If the Church of England makers of the KJV had believed your opinion, the KJV would never have been made.

    English-speaking believers already had a good English Bible translation [the 1560 Geneva Bible] before 1611.

    The KJV translators did not agree with your opinion.
     
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    Apparently you partially misunderstood me. The old Scriptural mss. are accurate, of course, but not every TRANSLATION of them is. We've pointed out some obvious goofs in the KJV, & we could do so with most other English translations, if that was the name of the game.

    Now, as for your question, my answer is NO. There are evidently some very poor ones out there, which God certainly wasn't behind, such as the JWs' New World translation, & Blanco's Clear Word Bible (intended for SDAs)

    There are some rather groddy but legitimate ones, such as "The Mesasage" or the NIV. But I don't care for any paraphrased or "dynamic equivalence" versions.
     
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    Not at all.

    Can you please give us any true doctrine of faith/worship NOT found in Scripture? (Not "wording", such as "Holy Trinity".)
     
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    Still, NO Scriptural support for KJVO !
     
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    You are beating the dead horse of a fading movement. The KJV is fading, no?
     
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