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have you ever stopped to think that women will probably have been used (when it's all said and done) of the Holy Spirit for the ingathering of the children of God at least to the same degree if not more than men....for those who wish to continue the discussion.
If you want to rile up the women, tell them where you think their place should be. Funny, it's always the men who think they need to put women in their place!
"have you ever stopped to think that women will probably have been used (when it's all said and done) of the Holy Spirit for the ingathering of the children of God at least to the same degree if not more than men.
"Are Christ and His church mutally submissive?
Definetly.
Many have come to the conclusion that Pricilla is always mentioned 1st, rather then Aquilla, because she was the more prominant one in that husband/wife evangelistic team.
If you want to rile up the women, tell them where you think their place should be. Funny, it's always the men who think they need to put women in their place!
RAdam...
Yes.
We certainly submit to Him, as He is our Lord, and He willingly submitted himself unto death for our sakes.
Did Christ submit to us?
You are saying that husband and wife should be submissive to each other and claim Ephesians 5 as justification for that view. Ephesians 5 points husband and wife to the example of Christ and His church. The wife is to emulate the church, the husband Christ. Is Christ submissive to His church?
Christ's submission was the greatest it could be. He submitted to death for us that we may have life. If Christ has not submitted we all would be lost.
The husband is to submit to not demand his desires and wishes unless they are best for the wife and family. This is a call to a much greater submission than that of the wife. Too many of us men think the call of the wife to submit is for us to be the BOSS. That isn't the case. The husband is to do that which is best for his wife and family ... it may not be what is best for himself alone.
I'm not asking that. The poster asserted that husband and wife should be equally submissive to each other. My question is, does Christ submit to the church? I never claimed that man was to run roughshod over the wife. Christ doesn't do that to the church, husbands shouldn't do that to their wives. I'm asking if Christ submits to the church.
RAdam...
Yes.
We certainly submit to Him, as He is our Lord, and He willingly submitted himself unto death for our sakes.
The thing is though that Christ did not submit to the church in going to the cross. He submitted to His Fathers will, not the church. Christ does not submit to the church He is the head of the church.