The Rapture: How close are we?

[go2church]

Pre-mil is not the same as pretrib and no I'm not pre-mil. I hold an amill position.

Spurgeon is interesting, depending on what you're reading from him he seems either pre-mill or even preterist. Pretrib was still in infant stages when he died, so he wouldn't be classified there in spite of pretrib followers best efforts.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Pre-mil is not the same as pretrib and no I'm not pre-mil. I hold an amill position.

That's a totally unbiblical viewpoint. It can't be supported Scripturally.

Pretrib was still in infant stages when he died ...

Spurgeon lived and died before Paul and John did? I did not know that.

 

[go2church]

You're funny. Do me a favor, put down LaHaye (or his cronies) and read some actual church history then we'll talk. Thanks, you're a peach.

 

[righteousdude2]

The good thing is....

You're funny. Do me a favor, put down LaHaye (or his cronies) and read some actual church history then we'll talk. Thanks, you're a peach.

....you both have some fantastic points! I guess we'll have to wiat and see! As for me, it won't matter how he comes, or even when he comes; so long as he's a comin'!!!:smilewinkgrin:

So, trim your lamps children and don't forget to save some oil! We don't want to be caught without that oil [a referrence to the Holy Spirit]. Which shows us the need to be filled in the Spirit; producing the fruits of the Spirit; and manifesting the gifts of the Spirit! The oil, or the Spirit in us is crucial.

Like the ten virgins, five had the spirit in them, the other five talked the talk but couldn't walk the talk, it in the end! I think this is a warning to those who think that by attending a church or being a member of a church, they are Christians! They missed the mark badly by not seeing the difference between religion and relationship!

They never laid the groudwork for a persoanal relationship with the Father by coming to the Son! How sad!

 

[Luke2427]

Pffft! Then it isn't a debate, it's just "because I said so."

Obviously you don't know what a debate is, or your statement would have been left where it belongs -- inside your mind, unspoken.

Hardly. I means I'm calling g2c on an unsupported statement that carries erroneous information.

You don't get it.

If we are going to debate eschatology then it is rightly presumed that the participators in the debate know eschatology. If we have to tell you what eschatology is (the various ideas of postmil, premil, amil, dispensational, etc...) then you have no business in the debate.

If we are going to debate the color of the sky and the only color with which you are remotely familiar is GREEN- then we cannot debate you. You are not qualified to debate the color of the sky until you learn the rudimentary elements of color.

If we have to TELL you how postmils, for example, support their claims... you have no BUSINESS here.

This is not a lecturing site- it is a debate site which demands that the various parties COME to it with sufficient knowledge to start with.

 

[Luke2427]

problem is that to accept all of them, have to filter the entire bible through covenant theology spiritual lens!

That's like saying, "In order to accept any of them one has to believe that Jesus is the central theme of the Bible."

OF COURSE THEY DO!! EVERY Christian should filter the Bible so!

 

[Yeshua1]

That's like saying, "In order to accept any of them one has to believe that Jesus is the central theme of the Bible."

OF COURSE THEY DO!! EVERY Christian should filter the Bible so!

actually, EVERY system of theology that is within Orthodox circles would agree with that statement, its just that many of us cannot find those Covenants of Grace that reformed would insist are there!

And the Bible is what we filter all our doctrines thru, NOT our system filtering the bible, to make sure to agrees with us!

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

That's like saying, "In order to accept any of them one has to believe that Jesus is the central theme of the Bible."

Didn't know Jesus was a covenant theologist.

You don't get it.

On the contrary, I get it perfectly. To see things your way, we all have to pervert biblical teaching. No thanks.

 

[Luke2427]

Didn't know Jesus was a covenant theologist.

On the contrary, I get it perfectly. To see things your way, we all have to pervert biblical teaching. No thanks.

Jesus WAS a covenant theologian.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with bible concepts?

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus WAS a covenant theologian.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with bible concepts?

can you give to us the verses that state that Adam was on a Covenant of Works, or that the trinity had a Covenat of Grace among Themselves?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Jesus WAS a covenant theologian.

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with bible concepts?

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with what Jesus actually taught. No wait ... there's no "perhaps" about it.

 

[Luke2427]

can you give to us the verses that state that Adam was on a Covenant of Works, or that the trinity had a Covenat of Grace among Themselves?

Yes. But once again I should not have to do this. You ought to Know the verses I would use to support my position and not have to ask me for them because you ought to already be at least familiar enough with covenant theology to know what verses it utilizes IF YOU ARE GOING TO CLAIM IT IS NOT RIGHT!!

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes we are close to both the rapture and the Second Coming.

 

[annsni]

We are one day closer than yesterday.



(don't know if anyone has said this but I had to say it anyway)

 

[Dr. Bob]

10,000 years from now people will refer to us as "the early church".