The "Rapture". When????

[carlaimpinge]

Deafpostrib,

Your OPINION concerning my "speech" would be similar to the reaction of Hymanaeus and Philetus, AFTER reading 2 Timothy 2 UNDERSTANDING that he marked their "false doctrine", IDENTIFIED their "apostasy", and labeled them, "vessels of dishonour" in the great house. That's the Pauline way, which is "not applied" TODAY.

I've already "nicely" told you that I don't need anymore of your "fanciful" scripture analysis.

You are MARKED,IDENTIFIED, and LABELED by what you believe and speak.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

 

[ballfan]

Compare 2 Timothy 2:17-18 with 2 Thessalonians 2:2.

2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

 

[ballfan]

Doesn't the present dispensation end at the second coming with the MK representing the seventh dispensation.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by ballfan:
Doesn't the present dispensation end at the second coming with the MK representing the seventh dispensation.

He who does not
believe in a literal/physical MK,
does not believe in dispensationalism
either.

 

[carlaimpinge]

Ballfan,

Yes, they certainly didn't understand that there was MORE THAN ONE resurrection, their ORDER, the NEXT ONE to occur, nor their timings, as laid out by Paul. (See 1 Cor.15)

The present dispensation (Eph.3, day of salvation, see 2 Cor.6) ENDS at the revelation of the son of perdtion, the MIDST OF THE WEEK, when the day of the Lord, the day of judgment begins. (2 Peter 3, 2 Thess.2, Dan.9)

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by carlaimpinge:
Ballfan,

Yes, they certainly didn't understand that there was MORE THAN ONE resurrection, their ORDER, the NEXT ONE to occur, nor their timings, as laid out by Paul. (See 1 Cor.15)

The present dispensation (Eph.3, day of salvation, see 2 Cor.6) ENDS at the revelation of the son of perdtion, the MIDST OF THE WEEK, when the day of the Lord, the day of judgment begins. (2 Peter 3, 2 Thess.2, Dan.9)

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

It looks more like the dispensation ends at the second coming rather than mid week.

I don't see where 1 Corinthians 15 speaks of more than two resurrections. One being Jesus himself and the other being those that are his at his coming.

 

[carlaimpinge]

Ballfan,

The dispensation of the grace of God ENDS at the midst of the week. God THEN starts allowing a LIE to be believed by those who REFUSED to believe Paul's gospel mesaage. (See the text in 2 Thess.2) Longsuffering ENDS as the days of Noah. (2 Peter 3) See 1 Tim.1:16

The resurrection is according to the terms of harvest. Christ the firstfruits (Mar-Apr), coming (Harvest), then cometh the end. (Sept) Tabernacles.

See the three appointed times in Ex, Lev., Num, and Deut.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by carlaimpinge:
Ballfan,

The dispensation of the grace of God ENDS at the midst of the week. God THEN starts allowing a LIE to be believed by those who REFUSED to believe Paul's gospel mesaage. (See the text in 2 Thess.2) Longsuffering ENDS as the days of Noah. (2 Peter 3) See 1 Tim.1:16

The resurrection is according to the terms of harvest. Christ the firstfruits (Mar-Apr), coming (Harvest), then cometh the end. (Sept) Tabernacles.

See the three appointed times in Ex, Lev., Num, and Deut.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

Doesn't sound right. During your 3 1/2 years final time period are there any people saved? If so under what conditions are they afforded salvation?

 

[carlaimpinge]

The Bible characterization of firstfruits, a TERM of harvest is not right? Paul's statements concerning sowing bare grain, then REAPING in resurrection have nothing to do with HARVEST TIME? Sowing and reaping is not related to your BODIES? One physical and the next spiritual. Your certainly mistaken according to 1 Cor.15.

There are plenty of believers within the great tribulation. (See Rev.7, 12,13,14, etc.)

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by carlaimpinge:
The Bible characterization of firstfruits, a TERM of harvest is not right? Paul's statements concerning sowing bare grain, then REAPING in resurrection have nothing to do with HARVEST TIME? Sowing and reaping is not related to your BODIES? One physical and the next spiritual. Your certainly mistaken according to 1 Cor.15.

There are plenty of believers within the great tribulation. (See Rev.7, 12,13,14, etc.)

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

I'm talking about the dispensational part. The believers you see in the trib I take it are in the last part of the week. Correct?

Describe salvation during that dispensation. What is required?

 

[carlaimpinge]

Ballfan,

The gospel of the kingdom is preached during the great tribulation. (Matt.24) The believers' manner of salvation is spoken of in the chapters which I gave you previously. (I'll give ALL of the chapters in Revelation this time for you.) Rev.1-3,6-7,12-15,18-22. Rev.2:10, 12:11,14:12,20:4, and 22:14 sums it up shortly.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Carl,

Suppose, pretrib doctrine is correct, when the Holy Spirit leaves at the rapture. then there is no more grace. The saints who will miss rapture and grace, will be saved during during tribulation period, what's their requirement to become saved DURING tribulation period?

How can the future saints know the gospel will be changed, what if they will be realized the true Christians all gone by rapture?

Are the 'saints' of Rev. 13:7,10; and 14:12, the same group of 1 Cor. 14:33?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[wopik]

The "Rapture". When????

never!

The second coming is the only time Christians' feet will leave the solid Earth, and only for a short time: when we meet the Lord in the AIR -- the CLOUDS --- and then come back to Earth to rule the nations with Jesus (Rev 2:26, 5:10).

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by carlaimpinge:
Ballfan,

The gospel of the kingdom is preached during the great tribulation. (Matt.24) The believers' manner of salvation is spoken of in the chapters which I gave you previously. (I'll give ALL of the chapters in Revelation this time for you.) Rev.1-3,6-7,12-15,18-22. Rev.2:10, 12:11,14:12,20:4, and 22:14 sums it up shortly.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

Humor me. What is required for salvation under the gospel of the kingdom?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:
what's their requirement to become saved DURING tribulation period?

The same as in the OT times
(believing God will send the Messiah);
the same as now (Believing God has sent
the Messiah: Jesus). However, likely all
the gentile converts will be stillborn
Christians: their calling upon Jesus as
Lord (Romans 10:9) will lead to their
immediate death.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by wopik:
The second coming is the only time Christians' feet will leave the solid Earth, and only for a short time: when we meet the Lord in the AIR -- the CLOUDS --- and then come back to Earth to rule the nations with Jesus (Rev 2:26, 5:10).

which we pretribs
call "yo-yo rapture". There will be
seven years between the pretrib
rapture/resurreciton and the postrib
rapture/resurrection.

 

[natters]

Ed said "which we pretribs call "yo-yo rapture"

Actually, yo-yo's go down and then up. Just like Jesus and the saints in currently heaven at the pretrib rapture.

 

[carlaimpinge]

Ballfan,

You're asking, but not reading.

Surely you should know. BELIEF OF THE MESSAGE.

Now read about it in the PLACES where it occurs, and find out what that entails.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by carlaimpinge:
Ballfan,

You're asking, but not reading.

Surely you should know. BELIEF OF THE MESSAGE.

Now read about it in the PLACES where it occurs, and find out what that entails.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

The reason I'm asking is I want to see your "interpretation". Interpretations vary. Not everybody will see it the same way. I think you might be suggesting salvation by following the law or maybe salvation by works. I could be wrong. The only way to find out is to ask.

 

[Plain ol' Ralph]

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