The rapture

[robycop3]

I'm not sure. Why do you?

I DON'T.

There's but ONE thing that'll establish any truth to preterism. That's proof from history that the events they SAY have happened, actually HAVE happened.

We're waiting...

 

[Lodic]

All other readers are free, of course, to read what we've each presented. I have presented Scripture & history, with the Scripture being believed literally as possible, while YOU have presented conjecture & guesswork, along with a heapin' helpin' of material from quacks, using the old pret non-valid practice of redicing certain Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic' status with no valid reason to do so. Just doing it to try to lend credence to pret pronouncements is NOT a valid reason!

I have repeatedly asked you for historical proof that the events prets SAY have already happened, HAVE already happened, & not one quark of such proof has been presented. This is over a 20-year period, & the only answers I've received has been the same ole garbage you've repeated here.

I have provided proof virtually every time you've ever asked for it. It's not my fault if you are unwilling to recognize it. Your claims to having presented proof have been nothing but your views.

 

[Lodic]

I DON'T.

There's but ONE thing that'll establish any truth to preterism. That's proof from history that the events they SAY have happened, actually HAVE happened.

We're waiting...

You will never see what you are waiting for. I have two meanings for that comment.
1. You refuse to see what any Preterist shows you to be evidence.
2. You will never see the Rapture nor the events in Revelation happen in the future, as these are man-made fantasies.

We've given those Christians who haven't made up their minds enough to read, especially when we keep going over the same points. At what point shall we call it a draw?

 

[robycop3]

I have provided proof virtually every time you've ever asked for it. It's not my fault if you are unwilling to recognize it. Your claims to having presented proof have been nothing but your views.

Your "proof" does NOT conform with Scripture. And for the umpteenth time, if the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue.

 

[Lodic]

Your "proof" does NOT conform with Scripture. And for the umpteenth time, if the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue.

And for the umpteenth time, you are flat wrong. Can we stop going around this mountain now?

 

[robycop3]

You will never see what you are waiting for. I have two meanings for that comment.
1. You refuse to see what any Preterist shows you to be evidence.

That's because it ISN'T. It's conjecture & guesswork that's been long-refuted, but still repeated by prets.

2. You will never see the Rapture nor the events in Revelation happen in the future, as these are man-made fantasies.

Not according to SCRIPTURE, which plainly describes the coming rapture, the coming antichrist & his empire, the coming marka the beast, & coming great trib, anong other coming things.

We've given those Christians who haven't made up their minds enough to read, especially when we keep going over the same points. At what point shall we call it a draw?

When you realize & admit preterism is false.

There are MANY questions you can't answer. For instance, if the 2 witnesses aren't men, how can they lie dead in a street?

When did all fresh water turn into blood after the plagues of Egypt?

When did all life in the sea die?

Those are just 3 of the events of the trib mentioned in Rev. 16.

And what was the marka the beast? What did it look like? Who issued it?

After Jesus' time, when was a statue set up in the temple, which the false prophet supernaturally made speak ?

Still waiting...

 

[robycop3]

And for the umpteenth time, you are flat wrong. Can we stop going around this mountain now?

NO, because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the trib ended. So, if it's already come & gone, WHERE'S JESUS????????????????????????????????

 

[xlsdraw]

What do you mean by "Replacement Theology"?

Do you believe in the physical Millennial Reign of Christ, from Jerusalem, in His Glorified Body? And that enough Israelites will accept Christ as their Savior, and repopulate Israel, and serve Christ in Israel during the Millennial Reign, as they were originally called to serve Him?

 

[kyredneck]

Are you a Replacement Theologist?

What do you mean by "Replacement Theology"?

...if this is not being "replaced" then I don't know the meaning of the word:

40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner; This was from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And he that falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust.
45 And when the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. Mt 21

11 And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven:
12 but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast forth into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Mt 8

28 There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without.
29 And they shall come from the east and west, and from the north and south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Lu 13

19 Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Ro 11

 

[xlsdraw]

...if this is not being "replaced" then I don't know the meaning of the word:

40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner; This was from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And he that falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust.
45 And when the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. Mt 21

11 And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven:
12 but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast forth into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Mt 8

28 There shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and yourselves cast forth without.
29 And they shall come from the east and west, and from the north and south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Lu 13

19 Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Ro 11

Now finish the rest of Romans chapter 11 if you dare.

 

[kyredneck]

In Revelation 3:10

FYI, Rev chapters 2 & 3, the judgement on the house of God, was foretold a mere 5 - 10 years earlier by the apostle Peter:

17 For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4

Date of Writing: The Book of 1 Peter was likely written between A.D. 60 and 65.

 

[kyredneck]

Actually, the only reason that I continue this tiring old argument with you is to show other Christians the validity of the Preterist view, and the weaknesses of the "rapture / futurist" view.

Been there done that. Now I do it only when I'm in the mood, 'other Christians' will come to it in their own time. Just saying...

 

[kyredneck]

If the whole world was in view, Jesus, Paul, and John would have used the word "kosmos".

This is how Christ used 'kosmos':

20 Jesus answered him, I have spoken openly to the world; I ever taught in synagogues, and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and in secret spake I nothing.

...i.e. the old covenant 'arrangement'.

 

[kyredneck]

Now finish the rest of Romans chapter 11 if you dare.

Now comment on the passages I provided, if you dare.

 

[Lodic]

That's because it ISN'T. It's conjecture & guesswork that's been long-refuted, but still repeated by prets.

Not according to SCRIPTURE, which plainly describes the coming rapture, the coming antichrist & his empire, the coming marka the beast, & coming great trib, anong other coming things.


When you realize & admit preterism is false.

There are MANY questions you can't answer. For instance, if the 2 witnesses aren't men, how can they lie dead in a street?

When did all fresh water turn into blood after the plagues of Egypt?

When did all life in the sea die?

Those are just 3 of the events of the trib mentioned in Rev. 16.

And what was the marka the beast? What did it look like? Who issued it?

After Jesus' time, when was a statue set up in the temple, which the false prophet supernaturally made speak ?

Still waiting...

Even if I answered every one of your questions (and I have already answered several), you would still refuse to accept those answers as proof. Repeating the same points over and over doesn't change anything.

 

[Lodic]

Do you believe in the physical Millennial Reign of Christ, from Jerusalem, in His Glorified Body? And that enough Israelites will accept Christ as their Savior, and repopulate Israel, and serve Christ in Israel during the Millennial Reign, as they were originally called to serve Him?

I don't believe in "replacement theology" in the sense of "has the Church replaced Israel?"

I do believe in the future physical return of Christ. However, I don't believe in a literal millennium.

Jews, like Gentiles, must surrender to God in order to be saved. The question about enough Jews accepting Christ to serve Him in Israel is fantasy, not supported by Scripture.

 

[Lodic]

FYI, Rev chapters 2 & 3, the judgement on the house of God, was foretold a mere 5 - 10 years earlier by the apostle Peter:

17 For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4

Date of Writing: The Book of 1 Peter was likely written between A.D. 60 and 65.

Excellent point, Brother! Thank you.

 

[Lodic]

This is how Christ used 'kosmos':

20 Jesus answered him, I have spoken openly to the world; I ever taught in synagogues, and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and in secret spake I nothing.

...i.e. the old covenant 'arrangement'.

Our "futurist" friends refuse to see anything that would show Jesus chose His words carefully and purposefully.

 

[Lodic]

Been there done that. Now I do it only when I'm in the mood, 'other Christians' will come to it in their own time. Just saying...

It does get tiresome. I'm about ready to give it a rest, and focus on conversations that don't just go in circles.

 

[Salty]

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