Rachel when people say "soon" today it really means soon. However when the New Testament writer's used the word "soon" it didn't mean soon.
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Truly said in the spirit of:
2Pe 3:3-4 (KJV1611 Edition):
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last dayes scoffers, walking after their owne lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his comming? For since the fathers fell asleepe, all things continue as they were fro the beginning of the creation.
If Jesus was soon coming in 96AD (when the
book of Revelation was written) - how much more
soon is His coming today?
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Copper
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I agree. Never heard of a secret rapture before nor do I know of any scriptures to support it.
Ed Edwards
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Amen, Brother Copper -- Preach it!Originally posted by Copper:
I'm pre-Mil too. I've heard the arguments as well, but, they haven't changed my mind either.
I'm looking forward to our being Raptured away. I hope its soon, don't you?
Copper
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Copper
Guest
Amen and Amen.
That's some good preachin'.
Ed Edwards
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as "a thief in the night" does NOT refer
to a cat buguler who sneaks in, steals,
and hopes nobody will notice until
they get away.
As "a thief in the night" refers to a
holdup thief who sneaks up to you in
the night, puts his knife to your throat,
an hollars: "your money or your life".
Don't be foolish and offer your life
cause you are saving your money for your
old age
Nobody here says they believe in a secret rapture
CAUSE NOBODY believes in a secret rapture.
They whole world will know.
Prophecy in the News:
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/index.asp
wonders if the rapture will come in the context
of a major thermonuclar war. That would be
easier for the Antichrist to explain away.
Anyway, there is no 'secret rapture'.
The 'secret rapture' includes all the past.
There was no 'secret rapture' in the past
that world historians have overlooked
preterism is a bankrupt doctrine; the Second
Coming is NOT in the past but in the future -
hopefully the NEAR future.
to a cat buguler who sneaks in, steals,
and hopes nobody will notice until
they get away.
As "a thief in the night" refers to a
holdup thief who sneaks up to you in
the night, puts his knife to your throat,
an hollars: "your money or your life".
Don't be foolish and offer your life
cause you are saving your money for your
old age
Nobody here says they believe in a secret rapture
CAUSE NOBODY believes in a secret rapture.
They whole world will know.
Prophecy in the News:
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/index.asp
wonders if the rapture will come in the context
of a major thermonuclar war. That would be
easier for the Antichrist to explain away.
Anyway, there is no 'secret rapture'.
The 'secret rapture' includes all the past.
There was no 'secret rapture' in the past
that world historians have overlooked
preterism is a bankrupt doctrine; the Second
Coming is NOT in the past but in the future -
hopefully the NEAR future.
T
TaterTot
Guest
No sarcasm needed, webdog.
The "secret" rapture is what I was taught all my life - when the day will come that some folks arent here anymore, and the rest of us will have been left behind.
The main weakness with that point of view is that it creates a third coming of Christ. And that cant be substantiated biblically.
The "secret" rapture is what I was taught all my life - when the day will come that some folks arent here anymore, and the rest of us will have been left behind.
The main weakness with that point of view is that it creates a third coming of Christ. And that cant be substantiated biblically.
PastorSBC1303
Active Member
Amen
Truly said in the spirit of:
2Pe 3:3-4 (KJV1611 Edition):
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last dayes scoffers, walking after their owne lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his comming? For since the fathers fell asleepe, all things continue as they were fro the beginning of the creation.
If Jesus was soon coming in 96AD (when the
book of Revelation was written) - how much more
soon is His coming today? </font>[/QUOTE]So...are you saying I'm a scoffer walking after my own lust??
I believe what the Bible says, Jesus is coming back soon. I look forward to His coming! It could be tonight, tomorrow, next week or 100 yrs from now. I don't know and neither does any one else on this earth.
We all need to live as if today is our last day here because it could be, spreading the Gospel in Love, witnessing to people around us. How many Christian's live in such a way that people notice something different in us that is Awesome? How many Christian's actually talk about Jesus and what He's done for us to people we come in contact with?? Not that many, and that's the travesty. Do we really care people are dying every day and going to hell?
Well gettin off topic so I'll stop....for now.
Rachel
Ed Edwards
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Rachel: "So...are you saying I'm a scoffer walking after my own lust??"
I quoted a scripture. It was NOT directed toward you.
BTW, Grasshopper attacked your position and i
defended your position. I agreed with you.
I quoted a scripture. It was NOT directed toward you.
BTW, Grasshopper attacked your position and i
defended your position. I agreed with you.
The “secret any moment rapture” doesn’t fly for me. I will be watching for the things that will come to pass, the falling away, people be deceived by the anti-Christ- showing great signs and wonders and then will I know that the time is near.
I won’t be seduced by a false Christ, but will be here waiting for my Master. If that makes me a martyr, OK, I have nothing to fear what can be done to me in this body.
I came to this board searching and wondering why on earth this any moment non-sense would be being taught and how could it possibly be justified having only read the bible trusting in God and His Word and promises like John 14:26. So I found out about Darby and Scofield, watch people deny even learning from these traditional teachings that have found there way into the church while they echo their teachings. I observed dispensational teachings of more than one body of Christ, several Kingdoms and other philosophies taught by man to justify their means of escape. The scripture seems quite clear to me and Col 2:8 and many other warnings were planted in my mind before I got here and I praise God for that.
My biggest fear is that the falling away might be those who I love that will go flying off to the anti-Christ thinking they are being “raptured”. I’ve watched the circle of debate go round and round thinking how do you battle against these contrived systems from scholars with years of preparation in twisting what God said to sell their theologies. Well God is my theological teacher and I sit in His class and go where He leads me. My armour is on and I believe it has a purpose for other than bailing out of here. If I’m “left behind” what will I say? I was told not to worry about it.
I won’t be seduced by a false Christ, but will be here waiting for my Master. If that makes me a martyr, OK, I have nothing to fear what can be done to me in this body.
I came to this board searching and wondering why on earth this any moment non-sense would be being taught and how could it possibly be justified having only read the bible trusting in God and His Word and promises like John 14:26. So I found out about Darby and Scofield, watch people deny even learning from these traditional teachings that have found there way into the church while they echo their teachings. I observed dispensational teachings of more than one body of Christ, several Kingdoms and other philosophies taught by man to justify their means of escape. The scripture seems quite clear to me and Col 2:8 and many other warnings were planted in my mind before I got here and I praise God for that.
My biggest fear is that the falling away might be those who I love that will go flying off to the anti-Christ thinking they are being “raptured”. I’ve watched the circle of debate go round and round thinking how do you battle against these contrived systems from scholars with years of preparation in twisting what God said to sell their theologies. Well God is my theological teacher and I sit in His class and go where He leads me. My armour is on and I believe it has a purpose for other than bailing out of here. If I’m “left behind” what will I say? I was told not to worry about it.
Ed Edwards
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Rachel: "Ahhh ok. But I didn't realize I had a position to attack. LOL Nothing completely set in stone anyway (as in the different mill views)."
Everybody has a position.
"I don't know" is a position.
Fence sitting is a position (an ackward position, i'm sure
)
Here is what Rachel said:
"I believe what the Bible says, Jesus is coming back soon. I look forward to His coming! It could be tonight, tomorrow, next week or 100 yrs from now. I don't know and neither does any one else on this earth.
We all need to live as if today is our last day here because it could be, spreading the Gospel in Love, witnessing to people around us. How many Christian's live in such a way that people notice something different in us that is Awesome? How many Christian's actually talk about Jesus and what He's done for us to people we come in contact with?? Not that many, and that's the travesty. Do we really care people are dying every day and going to hell?
Well gettin off topic so I'll stop....for now."
Rachel was in error about one thing: she was NOT off topic.
Consider the prophetic writing contained in 2 Peter chapter 3.
Look at the reason for writing the prophecy:
2Pe 3:14 (KJV1611 edition):
Wherefore (beloued) seeing that ye looke for such things,
be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace,
without spot, and blamelesse.
The whole reason for eschatological teaching is to call
saints to good works. Recall good works don't save us;
good works flow from the salvation given us by Jesus.
All eschatology is good, if i causes us to do good works.
2Pe 3:11 IKJV1611 edition):
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolued,
What maner of persons ought ye to be in
all holy conuersation, and godlinesse,
Recall in 1611 "conversation" means what "life style"
means in 2005.
So Sister Rachael, you are NOT off-topic -- you
are right on topic!
Everybody has a position.
"I don't know" is a position.
Fence sitting is a position (an ackward position, i'm sure
Here is what Rachel said:
"I believe what the Bible says, Jesus is coming back soon. I look forward to His coming! It could be tonight, tomorrow, next week or 100 yrs from now. I don't know and neither does any one else on this earth.
We all need to live as if today is our last day here because it could be, spreading the Gospel in Love, witnessing to people around us. How many Christian's live in such a way that people notice something different in us that is Awesome? How many Christian's actually talk about Jesus and what He's done for us to people we come in contact with?? Not that many, and that's the travesty. Do we really care people are dying every day and going to hell?
Well gettin off topic so I'll stop....for now."
Rachel was in error about one thing: she was NOT off topic.
Consider the prophetic writing contained in 2 Peter chapter 3.
Look at the reason for writing the prophecy:
2Pe 3:14 (KJV1611 edition):
Wherefore (beloued) seeing that ye looke for such things,
be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace,
without spot, and blamelesse.
The whole reason for eschatological teaching is to call
saints to good works. Recall good works don't save us;
good works flow from the salvation given us by Jesus.
All eschatology is good, if i causes us to do good works.
2Pe 3:11 IKJV1611 edition):
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolued,
What maner of persons ought ye to be in
all holy conuersation, and godlinesse,
Recall in 1611 "conversation" means what "life style"
means in 2005.
So Sister Rachael, you are NOT off-topic -- you
are right on topic!
Ed Edwards
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Benjamin: //My biggest fear is that the falling away might
be those who I love that will go flying off to
the anti-Christ thinking they are being “raptured”.//
I understand how Antichrist will explain after wards the
rapture: "Hey! look how good a job i did getting rid of those
fuddy duds who were always talking to us about our own
personal 'sin'." I do not understand how Antichrist will
fake a new perfect body that can fly:
1Th 4:17 (KJV1611 Edition):
Then we which are aliue, and remaine, shalbe
caught vp together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall
wee euer bee with the Lord.
1Co 15:51-52 (KJV1611 Edition):
Behold, I shew you a mysterie: we shall not all sleepe,
but wee shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinckling of an eye,
at the last trumpe, (for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.)
be those who I love that will go flying off to
the anti-Christ thinking they are being “raptured”.//
I understand how Antichrist will explain after wards the
rapture: "Hey! look how good a job i did getting rid of those
fuddy duds who were always talking to us about our own
personal 'sin'." I do not understand how Antichrist will
fake a new perfect body that can fly:
1Th 4:17 (KJV1611 Edition):
Then we which are aliue, and remaine, shalbe
caught vp together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the aire: and so shall
wee euer bee with the Lord.
1Co 15:51-52 (KJV1611 Edition):
Behold, I shew you a mysterie: we shall not all sleepe,
but wee shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinckling of an eye,
at the last trumpe, (for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.)
servant-96
New Member
I don't know why you keep using the word "secret" rapture. It's only secrete to those who are not watching. Please read the following.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:6
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober."
There is a lot of things in this passage, but I just want to touch on a couple of them. First, the direction is upward. The church is going to the Lord. This is not the "Second Coming". That happens at the end of the tribulation when the Lord comes with "all" His Saints(1Thess. 3:13). This is the beginning of the "Day" of the Lord(1000)years, which includes the rapture, tribulation, Kingdom age. The second thing I want you to see is that everything will be as normal(Peace and safety), then sudden destruction will come. That is what will happen. When all those who have received Christ as their Savior will in a twinkling of an eye dissapear, then will come sudden distruction. Planes will crash, cars will crash, I mean really think of all the possibilities. The last thing I want you to see is that the people that study themselves approved unto God don't have to be in darkness. That's why he says to Watch and be sober(Rightminded). So lets not sleep like other people who are in the dark in this matter.
PastorSBC1303
Active Member
Well, I don't know of any Pre-1900 Baptists that I can show you-- period </font>[/QUOTE]Surely you are not serious?
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