THE RAPTURE

The Apostle Paul tells us in Galatians 3:7-9

7. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

The Apostle Paul had just chastized the Galatians for perverting the Gospel. It is unreal that he was now telling the Galatians that a different Gospel was preached to Abraham. There is only one Gospel for all time and Paul says it was preached to Abraham.

 

This is another "fine" example of those who can't assimilate, explain, or exposit the Holy Scriptures.

Not only do they REJECT the Pauline statement that his DISPENSATION of the gospel was by revelation (1 Cor.9, Gal.1) HISTORICALLY unto him, but they CONFOUND the "good news" of the Abrahamic blessing AS the the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul's gospel IS NOT "in thee shall all nations be blessed".

Paul's gospel of the grace of God was preached to Abraham just as much as Bill Clinton signed the Declaration of Independence.

What nonsense from these people.

 

There was another time in which this question was raised and I gave my opinion that there is indeed only one "everlasting Gospel" which is the end product or culmination of a progressive revelation having many aspects and phases with "mysteries" to be revealed at the end of the age(s) to all the inhabitants of the world.

Revelation 14:13
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The Gospel of the redemption of mankind which started with the promised Seed of the Woman and culminated in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for our sins.

Personally, I don't believe that the OT saints had a specific knowledge of the incarnation of Christ. Paul calls it a mystery:

1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The promise of the Messiah for the OT saints was IMO part of the everlasting gospel for which they were responsible as an integral part of their faith, but the incarnation and other of the "mysteries" yet to be revealed, they were not (although God might have revealed at least the incarnation to Abraham).

1 Peter 1
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.


Colossians 1
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

So there is one gospel with many aspects, phases and "mysteries" which culminate and are "in these last days" revealed and culimated by Jesus Christ
and His Apostles

Hebrews 2
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

at the end of the age(s). That is: The redemption of mankind by the Triune God through the death burial and resurrection for sin by the God-man Jesus Christ.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

There are yet unfulfilled details connected to this "everlasting Gospel" which have to do with the Return of Christ and the Kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

HankD

 

Exegesis: critical explanation or interpretation , especially of Scripture.

Eisegesis: an interpretation, especially of Scripture, that expresses the interpreters own ideas, bias, or the like.

Is eisegesis the norm for dispensationalists?

 

Ed notes the word "rapture" has not been
mentioned since page 15. If anybody wants
to talk about 'rapture' maybe we should
... never mind, i don't know how to get
people to post ON TOPIC as requried by
the rules.

 

Quit crying.

 

Agreed.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Presumably even the prophets were not totally illuminated as to the content and the details of what they wrote which Paul calls "my Gospel" and "the Gospel of Christ" and was "according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but NOW is made evident".

Indeed no man comes to the father but by Christ.

Yet many of the details concerning the everlasting Gospel and the final revelation of the Scripture concerning the Seed of the Woman, Messiah, Kinsman Redeemer, Incarnate Saviour,
they did not know (the incarnation, the indwelling Spirit of Christ, etc) as the Word of God declares them mysteries not made evident until these "last days".

My assumption is that the Logos,the Second Person of the Holy trinity, the pre-incarnate Christ) knew His own then as now (Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you).

Matthew 11
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

The ultimate decision is His and not theirs (OT saints) or ours (NT saints) and always has been through out the ages.

HankD

 

HankD: please put the version on your
bible quotes, even if you always quote
from the same version. Thank you.

 

Take it up with the Boss.

Joh 11:35-36 (KJV1611 Edition):
Iesus wept.
36 Then said the Iewes, Behold, how he loued him.

BTW, Boss God is the author of the plan
to harvest the church (His Bride, His body)
at the end of the Church age in the
pretriubaltion RAPTURE.

 

When you cry, is it because you love us?

 

Perhaps everyone except you has decided that the doctrine of the pretrib removal of the Church [I don't speak Latin] is irrevelant.

 

Exegesis is being discussed here,
but should be discussed at:

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/2811.html

Eschatology is being discussed at that location
instead of here. No, this isn't right.

 

1769 KJV.

HankD

 

Sorry, put a dispensation post here

 

1769 KJV Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

HankD

 

Oops, i meant:

Sorry, I put a dispensation post here
I then removed it from here and put it in
another topic.

 

Ed,

I just got what drives you!

Six forums compared and contrasted:

Forum of exegesis.
Forum of dispensations.
Forum of rapture.
Forum of church age.
Forum of versions.
Forum of eisegesis. (corected) by OldReg

Ed, it really bugs you when things aren't where they are supposed to be.

I bet you have separate drawyers for:
socks of red
socks of brown
socks of blue
socks of black
socks of gray

Compared and contrasted, of course!

 

You left out the most important one, Forum of eisegesis.

 

Thank you Paul33. All i wanted was my socks
inthe right drawer - ah, er, well - my
posts in the right topic

There will be a physical rapture.
That rapture will be pretribulation.