THE RAPTURE

[carlaimpinge]

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:
Carl,

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Paul DID NOT preach the gospel of the kingdom of heaven ACCORDING to any verse. That is sheer fanstasy

Oh absolutely yes! Paul preached tge gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Find in Acts 20:25 - "And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more."

You are right, word, 'kingdom of HEAVEN' is not find anywhere in the 13 epistles of Paul's.

But, both 'kingdom of God' & 'kingdom of heaven' are synonmous meaning. For example find in Matthew 19:23-24 - "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, 'Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And AGAIN I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich to enter into the kingdom of God."

Clearly, Christ tells us, both 'kingdom of heaven' & 'kingdom of God' are same.

I'm CERTAINLY NOT preaching the gospel of the kingdom of heaven to anyone TODAY

Please define what 'kingdom of heaven' mean?

The kingdom of heaven is not AT HAND

Didn't you realize that the kingdom is already present within you of Luke 17:21 since after Christ brought it from the heaven 2,000 years ago.

Premills teach, the kingdom of Israel is postponed, delay till second coming, because Jews of Israel reject Jesus as their Messiah.

Where did they get the idea comes from?

Christ never fail by bring the kingdom from the heaven to us. Kingdom of God/heaven is already present within us through the Holy Spirit for nearly 2,000 years.

IF you follow the Bible, you will follow the VERSES, which have been posted. If you do, you will REPENT of what you believe NOW.

Absolutely! Yes, I do follow the Bible 100%, I am a truly Bible believer, I am a baptist.

You have to understand, many Christians have their rights to have their own defend of their belief, what they believe. I cannot change your beliefs, you cannot change mine beliefs. We cannot be expecting that every Christians have the same view and same interpreting the Bible.

2 Tim. 2:15 commands us, that we ought to study the Bible more serious and carefully, and study correctly.

I never being be satisfy know everything what the Bible saying, I still learning them, never stop learning till I die, or Christ comes.

I know that you follow the Bible 100% as what you claim. But, I disagree with you own interpreting the Bible. Of course, you disagree with my intepreting the Bible. That is fine with me. Long as you and I both believe Jesus Christ is our saviour, who died on the cross, and he is alive, and He is coming again. This is the basic fundamentally belief of the Bible, what you and I both believe.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen! </font>[/QUOTE]You're simply amazing. You say that Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom of heaven then quote a verse which Paul said he preached the kingdom of God with NO REFERENCE of the word GOSPEL in it. You then state that the kingdom of heaven is not found in the Pauline epistles AFTER STATING that he preached the gospel of the kingdom of heaven, thus verifying what I have said, and PROVED biblically.

Good grief, what a contradictory mess you proclaim. I GAVE THE VERSE where he preached the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD by direct statement from his OWN mouth! Do you get that?

HE DID NOT PREACH THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN OR GOD (see Mark 1) BY ANY PROOFTEXT.

He preached the kingdom of God, which concerned RIGHTEOUSNESS, just as ALL of them did. That righteousness was received by BELIEF of the gospel WHICH WAS PREACHED AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

The gospel of the kingdom which was JOHN'S GOSPEL concerned righteousness.

Matthew 21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?

Matthew 21:26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.

Matthew 21:27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

Matthew 21:28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.

Matthew 21:29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

Matthew 21:30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Matthew 21:32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

The gospel of the kingdom CONCERNED water baptism for the remission of sins.

Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Paul's GOSPEL did not concern water baptism for the REMISSION OF SINS.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

HERE WE GO AGAIN. The kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are NO MORE synonymous terms than the day of the Lord and the day of Christ.

YOU SAY THEY ARE.

The kingdom of God CONCERNS a "new birth" by the Holy Spirit of God, which gives RIGHTEOUSNESS.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

The kingdom of heaven CONCERNS a LITERAL, VISIBLE, KINGDOM which those who have righteousess will RECEIVE due to persecution.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

It was REJECTED by the leaders of Israel, thereby PREVENTING OTHERS from entrance.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

No Pharisee could stop ANYONE from SEEING or ENTERING into the kingdom of God, but they STOPPED the kingdom of heaven from being AT HAND.

You boys don't see, that BOTH were preached. A literal visible kingdom as prophesied by the Holy Scriptures through Daniel found in chapter 7 (the kingdom of heaven, which the God of heaven will set up); along with a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM (entered by the GIVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

The gospel of the kingdom of God concerned the COMING of the Holy Spirit which was NOT YET GIVEN.

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

The gospel of the kingdom of heaven concerned the literal, visible, physcial, Jewish, Davidic kingdom which was PUT IN ABEYANCE, according to Paul the apostle. (Heb.2)

The kingdom of heaven IS NOT PRESENT "within" you. YOU CONTINUALLY MISQUOTE VERSES. The context is the KINGDOM OF GOD (Spirit), in Luke 17.

The Bible teaches the kingdom has not come, not premillenialists son. IT DOESN'T COME UNTIL LATER.

Revelations 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelations 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

No, it's NOT ok for anyone to believe what they think about the Bible. (See 2 Tim.2, 2 Cor.11, Gal.2, Acts 15) There are FALSE BRETHREN which believe heresy, and false doctrines. (Rom.16)

The HOLY BIBLE has again CORRECTED your errors.

 

[HankD]

If someone else can find a different definition of the Gospel in Scripture I would be glad to read it.

Actually it says "the gospel of Christ" that is the Gospel concerning Christ:

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Carl,

Earlier, HankD asked you a question.

What about Matt. 28:19-20?

Christ commanded them, go and preach the gospel into the world. Is the gospel of Matt. 28:19-20 same as what Paul preached?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[carlaimpinge]

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:
Hey,

We seem off the track, discuss on dispensationalism. We need back to the same track focus on the topic of rapture, please.

Again, OldRegular and I both are still waiting for you to show us to prove a verse in the Bible saying that rapture will be occur 3 1/2 or 7 years EARLIER BEFORE Christ's coming.

I am waiting for anyone of you to prove us a clear verse saying that our gathering together shall be 3 1/2 or 7 years earlier BEFORE Christ's coming.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

What REDUNDANCE of thought after the scritpures have been posted many, many times concerning a pretribulation gathering of the body of Christ.

Ho hum.

 

[HankD]

Christ commanded them, go and preach the gospel into the world. Is the gospel of Matt. 28:19-20 same as what Paul preached?

I know you asked Carl but as for myself:

After Acts 15, yes, for certain, before that I'm not sure it was.
They didn't go anywhere anyway but hung around until after Acts 15.

Acts 15
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

HankD

 

[Charles Meadows]

OK,

Let's try this.

Carl, you state that Jesus and Paul preached different gospels. Jesus instructed the apostles including Paul to preach the gospel.

What exactly do you really mean when you assert that they are different?

Jesus came to earth, taught, and then died for our sins. Paul and the apostles preached this, and did so in a way that others would understand its significance.

If you are saying that Paul's speech is different than that of Jesus then most of us would agree.

If you are asserting that Jesus' preaching was intended for a wholely different purpose than that of Paul or the 12 then you're by yourself.

Do you advocate that Jesus preached a "kingdom gospel" for the Jews, intending the earthly millenium? If so you're way off base.

Why did Paul never mention that Jesus taught something different than he did?

If you are asserting that the 2 gospels ARE DIFFERENT and not just a different slant on the same thing - then the onus is on you to prove it. You have quoted a lot of verses but have not come up with a reason why Jesus' and Paul's gospels should be viewed as different entities.

 

[carlaimpinge]

Originally posted by HankD:
Bro Carl, I have a question for you.
Not a litmus test and I have no ax to grind, just a sincere area of question:

Matthew 28
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Here is my area of question:
As a Baptist do you believe that baptizing TODAY in the name of the Trinity as given in Matthew 28 is proper and why?

Why in your view is this Trinitarian formula only used here by Christ in the "Great Commission" and not by the Apostles in Acts or the epistles?

Thanks.

HankD

Bro. Hank,

Yes, I do. The original commission was given to the 12 apostles, but they never fulfilled it. There were going to JEWS which is obvious in the book of Acts, preaching the JESUS of Nazareth as the Christ, the Messiah of Israel. There's your other forumula. It turns out to be dispensational DUE TO THE REJECTION OF THE KINGDOM AND KING, and will be fulfilled during the great tribulation by OTHERS who will preach to the Gentiles, UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD. (Matt.24)

Paul takes up the commission to go to the GENTILES under the authority of the GLORIFIED Lord Jesus PREACHING the gospel of the grace of God, NOT THE GOSPEL WHICH THE GENTILES WERE GOING TO HEAR! (The gospel of the kingdom at the midst of the week, Matt.24) He CONTINUES the "tradition" of water baptism OUTSIDE of their commission WITHIN HIS OWN. (1 Cor.1) That makes the hypers go crazy. (Acts 16, 18) Paul TOLD Lydia to get baptized.

Now note when Peter is FORCED to go to the Gentiles, paving the way for acceptation of the Pauline message in Acts 15, they are baptized in the name of the Lord, AFTER they had received the Holy Ghost.

The Lord is the TITLE for all three persons of the Godhead. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are EACH called Lord within the NT. I baptize because of that and Paul's traditional practice of baptizing believers in HIS MESSAGE.

All believers IN THE BIBLE get baptized, no matter what message they heard. Yes, and by the way, the END OF THE WORLD is still ahead of us.

In Christ Jesus,
Carl

 

[HankD]

Thanks Bro Carl.

HankD

 

[carlaimpinge]

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
OK,

Let's try this.

Carl, you state that Jesus and Paul preached different gospels. Jesus instructed the apostles including Paul to preach the gospel.

What exactly do you really mean when you assert that they are different?

Jesus came to earth, taught, and then died for our sins. Paul and the apostles preached this, and did so in a way that others would understand its significance.

If you are saying that Paul's speech is different than that of Jesus then most of us would agree.

If you are asserting that Jesus' preaching was intended for a wholely different purpose than that of Paul or the 12 then you're by yourself.

Do you advocate that Jesus preached a "kingdom gospel" for the Jews, intending the earthly millenium? If so you're way off base.

Why did Paul never mention that Jesus taught something different than he did?

If you are asserting that the 2 gospels ARE DIFFERENT and not just a different slant on the same thing - then the onus is on you to prove it. You have quoted a lot of verses but have not come up with a reason why Jesus' and Paul's gospels should be viewed as different entities.

Charles,

I have posted throughout this thread the difference in the gospels. Please reread them.

The Lord preached what John preached. The KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WAS AT HAND. That concerns God's kingdom being SET UP on earth. (Dan.7) No, I'm NOT off base. I'm right on cue with the Book.

Paul STATED many times that a DISPENSATION of the gospel was given unto him, which was a REVELATION, and had to be communicated unto others WHO DID NOT KNOW IT. The verses have been presented many times.

Charles, progresssive revelation shows there are different gospels due to the DETAILS of the message, to whom it was presented, how it was proclaimed, and the reception of righteusness by the Holy Spirit I have PRESENTED the verses. I can't make you understand them. It's sort of like Paul when dealing with others.

Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Acts 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

 

[Charles Meadows]

Carl,

The kingdom of God on earth - are you seeing this as Jesus (by His mission) establishing God's kingdom on earth, as mentioned in Micah 2:13 (as opposed to the view that this concerns a literal future milleniual kingdom)? If so I agree with you on that count.

Secondly, why do you make a distinction between Jesus' message and that of Paul? I mean - how do you think that such a perceived distinction makes a difference in the way Christians read the NT?

 

[HankD]

Secondly, why do you make a distinction between Jesus' message and that of Paul?

Again, no axe to grind Bro Charles, but could you give at least one example or excerpt of Jesus message vs Paul's message and the doctrinal focus as a basis of comparison?

Personally, I can think of one example that might fit.

John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

1 Thessalonians 4
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Is this what you mean?

Thanks.

HankD

 

[carlaimpinge]

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
Carl,

The kingdom of God on earth - are you seeing this as Jesus (by His mission) establishing God's kingdom on earth, as mentioned in Micah 2:13 (as opposed to the view that this concerns a literal future milleniual kingdom)? If so I agree with you on that count.

Secondly, why do you make a distinction between Jesus' message and that of Paul? I mean - how do you think that such a perceived distinction makes a difference in the way Christians read the NT?

The kingdom of God concerns the Holy Spirit. (Matt.12) The kingdom of God came HISTORICALLY on the day of Pentecost in the SENSE it was preached by the Lord Jesus during his ministry. (John 7) Saved believers are born into this kingdom. (John 3) The kingdom which the God of heaven will set up on earth COMES when Christ Jesus RETURNS to this earth to rule and reign as the Son of David from Jerusalem, which is promised to him. (Luke 1,2) It is the millenial kingdom of Rev.20. The kingdom COMES IN HEAVEN at the midst of the week, when Satan is cast down. (Rev.12)

I make the distinction due to the Bible making it. Biblical Christianity STEMS from Paul the apostle and HIS TEACHINGS, not the Lord's. They were, are, and shall be DOCTRINAL TRUTH for those within the time of the great tribulation and the millenial kingdom.

The Lord "changed" the times and the seasons, which you boys don't seem to recognize. HE KNEW WHAT OTHERS SHOULD DO, COULD DO, and WOULD DO. (Matt.11)

They didn't do what they should, but will be able to do so later. It's RECORDED in the book of Revelation.

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Charles Meadows]

I guess what I'm asking Carl is why should a distinction be perceived? We all concede that each gospel is a little different, that James and Paul are a little different - but they don't have different GOSPELS. They all have slightly different explanation sof the same thing.

In your example Christ promises he'll come back for us - and Paul fleshes that out a little. I don't see a different message here.

I'm asking Carl why he sees it as important to draw a distinction. Was Jesus speaking only to Jews? Was he speaking of a millenial kingdom?

Id there a difference in the messages of Jesus and Paul? To me it seems that that answer is no.

 

[HankD]

In your example Christ promises he'll come back for us - and Paul fleshes that out a little. I don't see a different message here.

OK thanks.

I can't speak for Carl but I will give a second-guess that he would say that the "fleshing out" of Paul that you speak of is not just "a little" but involves a revelation that was given to him (Paul) alone. Whether that qualifies as "different" I don't know.

I think it qualifies as "distinct" though.

HankD

 

[carlaimpinge]

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
I guess what I'm asking Carl is why should a distinction be perceived? We all concede that each gospel is a little different, that James and Paul are a little different - but they don't have different GOSPELS. They all have slightly different explanation sof the same thing.

In your example Christ promises he'll come back for us - and Paul fleshes that out a little. I don't see a different message here.

I'm asking Carl why he sees it as important to draw a distinction. Was Jesus speaking only to Jews? Was he speaking of a millenial kingdom?

Id there a difference in the messages of Jesus and Paul? To me it seems that that answer is no.

John and others PREACHED according to the PROPHECY of the OT scriptures. Paul preached according to the REVELATION of the mystery. That's WHY there is distinction.

I have always stated that there are FOUR FORMS of the gospel. The gospel is simply good news or glad tidings. I'm going to state it one more time and that's it.

John, the Lord, the 12, and the 70 preached the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM. It did not concern the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus or him proclaimed OPENLY to be the Christ. (Matt.16) It concerned a LITERAL VISIBLE PHYSICAL JEWISH DAVIDIC kingdom which had been promised, along with the GIVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. That's the kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God.

That is NOT a slightly different "EXPLANATION" of what I preach today.

The ministry of the Lord Jesus was to Israel by his own mouth. (Matt.10,15) Yes, he did identify himself to certain Gentiles as the MESSIAH as the EXCEPTION, but the RULE was his ministry was to JEWS. Again, the Lord pointed out the UNBELIEF OF THE JEWS from the start of his ministry, (Luke 4); but he was UNDER OBLIGATION to his word to present the kingdom being at hand, WHICH HE DID. (Mark 1)

The MYSTERY is NOT PROPHECY. Paul differs from ALL THE OTHERS before him, due to his message of gospel, his ministry to the body of Christ, which includes DIFFERENT DOCTRINAL TEACHINGS for them, specifically separated from those taught in the past.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Carl,

I disagree.

Bible does not teaching four gospels according what you saying. Bible teaches there is only one gospel.

Jews are expecting for their Messiah come to set kingdom on earth in physical and visibly.

Pharisees asked Christ, when the kingdom of God should come. Christ said to them, "The kingdom of God cometh NOT with observation. NEITHER shall they say, 'Lo here!' or, 'lo there!' for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN you." - Luke 17:20-21.

Christ told them, the kingdom of God comes NOT with observation as earthly and visibly, Christ speaks of the kingdom is spiritually from above.

Christ ALREADY give the kingdom of heaven to disciples, include Church, that we already have power was given by Christ, that we can spread the gospel of the kingdom of heaven - Matt. 16:18-19.

We are now preaching the only one same gospel. Gospel have been preaching the same message for nearly 2,000 years since Christ first came to earth to now. The preaching of the kingdom of Heaven will be done at the end of the world when Christ shall come again - Matt. 24:14.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by HankD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If someone else can find a different definition of the Gospel in Scripture I would be glad to read it.

Actually it says "the gospel of Christ" that is the Gospel concerning Christ:

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: </font>[/QUOTE]Paul tells us in Galatians that there is only one Gospel.

 

[HankD]

Paul tells us in Galatians that there is only one Gospel.

Yes, for this age that is all that is and can be applicable, that same Gospel that Paul and the other Apostles preached to the Corinthians as well as well as the Galatians.

In the Galatian epistle Paul describes its power and scope, in the Corinthians epistle he recounts it's historical facts.

To both churches in his epistles (one to the Galatians and 2 to the Corinthians) he calls it the Gospel of Christ or Christ's Gospel.

2 Corinthians 4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

Galatians 1
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Notice that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ for our sins is either implicitly or explicitly stated in Galatians 1:1-7 and is called the Gospel of Christ.

HankD

 

[carlaimpinge]

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:
Carl,

I disagree.

Bible does not teaching four gospels according what you saying. Bible teaches there is only one gospel.

Jews are expecting for their Messiah come to set kingdom on earth in physical and visibly.

Pharisees asked Christ, when the kingdom of God should come. Christ said to them, "The kingdom of God cometh NOT with observation. NEITHER shall they say, 'Lo here!' or, 'lo there!' for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN you." - Luke 17:20-21.

Christ told them, the kingdom of God comes NOT with observation as earthly and visibly, Christ speaks of the kingdom is spiritually from above.

Christ ALREADY give the kingdom of heaven to disciples, include Church, that we already have power was given by Christ, that we can spread the gospel of the kingdom of heaven - Matt. 16:18-19.

We are now preaching the only one same gospel. Gospel have been preaching the same message for nearly 2,000 years since Christ first came to earth to now. The preaching of the kingdom of Heaven will be done at the end of the world when Christ shall come again - Matt. 24:14.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

Good grief, what SUPERFLUOUS REDUNDANCE of false statements without any refutation of the FACTS given by SCRIPTURE VERSES within this thread.

What PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of statments.

Observation deals with the KEEPING and DOING of the law!

Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Mark 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

Galatians 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Only one gospel?

Only in YOUR MIND, son; which is NOT ACCORDING to any bible in print. You can't REFUTE the verses, so you just keep spouting your "belief".

[Personal attack deleted.]

The unbelieving Jews of Act 13 who contradict and blaspheme. The unbelieving Jews of Acts 18 who blaspheme. The unbelieving Jews of Acts 28 who could not hear or understand. The false brethren (Pharisees who BELIEVED) of Acts 15. The false apostles, deceitful workers, and fools of 2 Cor.11.

[Personal attack deleted,]

That's my last response to you.

[ March 14, 2005, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Carl,

Lord have mercy on you. Be calm yourself.

Understand, Christ rebuked or blunted against Scribes, Pharisees, for keeping the laws and good works, but they were hyprocrisy, because of their wicked hearts, not really love the Lord.

You quoted of Mark 10:20, that verse is also refer with Matt. 19:21, that a yooung man(not pharisee or scribe, but a regular Jew person) asked Christ, what things that he have to do to have eternal life? Christ told him, if he want to be matured, he would HAVE TO be surrender his life completely, give up everything what he have, give things to poor people, come and follow Christ. What happened to a young man? He was bitter, refused give up his life, want to keep his possessions, and he walked away from Christ. Obivous, a man is now in the hell, because of refuse to obey Christ's commandment.

Same with Luke 9:23-25 commanded to his disciples, that they have to give up their life, and take up the cross and follow Christ, Luke 9:23-25 is also APPLY to us of every individual Christians throughout all ages till the end of the age(Luke 9:26).

Simple, there is only one gospel, which Christ, disciples, and Paul were all preached same as we are preaching the same gospel of today's.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!